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Thanks. This now makes sense. Your settings are less restrictive them mine.
I think it covers more than just right hand drive cars, for 2 reasons...If I understand it correctly our cars are only being compared to other RHD cars
Here they are:That's only the driving component and does not take into account the overheads like air con, sentry, lights, screen, USB usage, battery warming, etc..
@SandyP and @dgh853, what are your Fleet Battery Data Settings? (See below for mine)
I have less than 20 "similar" mileage cars for comparison, where as your cars have greater then 190 cars...
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I woke the car up for the first time since Sunday. So 6 days, range down to 302 km. Less than 1 km/day loss.I haven’t been looking at that. In the past it‘s been about 1 km/day if I don’t wake the car up. I charged it to 307 km today with some sunshine so I’ll check it again in 5 days.
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1 month 3 days without charging. After charging to 96% before lock down.
Current charge level is 30% or 24% cold battery level.
130km driven and it has lost 250kms.
It wakes up once or twice a day and has had one firmware update.
Sentry mode is not on at home.
Was your diagnosis done locallly or from the US?I had Tesla do remote diagnostic on my battery. According to their diagnostic the battery is performing above 95%. It is just that in real-world driving I get a little over 200km (@80%) for a car which has WLTP rating of 448km and EPA rating of 423km (@100% charge). I guess everyone knows the range claims by EV manufacturers are outlandish but I am still surprised by the sheer size of the difference.
How do we get from 400 to 200? And more importantly, how do EV companies continue to get away with these claims?
Australia's ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) has been pretty tough on certain industries. They have been breathing down the neck of telcos for years (mostly for good measure) handing fines at the slightest perception of misinformation. The last one was hilarious, they fined a bunch of telcos for using unlimited data plans for mobile plans that had speed caps beyond their included data. At least one crafty telco did not give up and started using 'endless' data plans instead! I diverge.
Looking forward to ACCC turning their attention to EV industry and get them to cleanup the house a little bit.
I had Tesla do remote diagnostic on my battery. According to their diagnostic the battery is performing above 95%. It is just that in real-world driving I get a little over 200km (@80%) for a car which has WLTP rating of 448km and EPA rating of 423km (@100% charge). I guess everyone knows the range claims by EV manufacturers are outlandish but I am still surprised by the sheer size of the difference.
How do we get from 400 to 200? And more importantly, how do EV companies continue to get away with these claims?
Australia's ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) has been pretty tough on certain industries. They have been breathing down the neck of telcos for years (mostly for good measure) handing fines at the slightest perception of misinformation. The last one was hilarious, they fined a bunch of telcos for using unlimited data plans for mobile plans that had speed caps beyond their included data. At least one crafty telco did not give up and started using 'endless' data plans instead! I diverge.
Looking forward to ACCC turning their attention to EV industry and get them to cleanup the house a little bit.
No sure. I was contacted by the local team. Had the impression that they were doing that.Was your diagnosis done locallly or from the US?
It should be accurate then. I’ve caught out the people in the US lying on multiple occasions to make problems go away. The Australian techs have never done that to me. (Car and powerwall)No sure. I was contacted by the local team. Had the impression that they were doing that.
But how would you feel if the actual consumption was twice the stated sticker number, closer to 17L/100km?It seems to me if they advertise it does 448km on the WLTP test cycle, then as long as it actually does so on that test cycle, there's not really a problem. I've currently got a rental Hyundai Tucson, they claim it does 8.1L/100km but real world I'm finding it struggles to get under 11.
For range, I find the battery indicator in the Telsa to be very good - within ±10% for real-world, highway speed driving. Sometimes it’s optimistic, sometimes pessimistic. Certainly way better than the “guess-o-meter” on my LEAF.
As @Candleflame mentions above, don’t read in to the EPA, NDC or WLTP figures anything other than a number produced as the result of a specific test.
I mean just consider the “Monroney” sticker on a new Tesla - for LR it declares a range of 620 km and an energy consumption of 209 Wh/km. That means Model 3 LR has a 130 kWh battery in it
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But how would you feel if the actual consumption was twice the stated sticker number, closer to 17L/100km?
Well my sticker said 448km and I only get 200km.The actual consumption is not twice the stated sticker number. On the WLTP cycle the Model 3 Long range performance does 139 Wh/km or the Long Range (with 18" wheels) uses 124 wh/km. That is low and real life figure is probably around 40% higher if you drive around 130km/hish on the motorway with infrequent slowdowns, overtaking etc. Also remember that you have 4.5% reserve sub zero you have to count towards the total range.
A BMW M3 is meant to use like 7L on the highway WLTP cycle or 10L on the combined cycle. But we know that in real life it will probably use around 13-14L. Around 40% higher.
The cycle is exactly the same for all cars. It is meant for comparison.