120 kW charging (480km/h) is what I read here. No idea where this site got its info however and with how much salt that should be taken. Anyway, we'll know in about six week's time I suppose.
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Jaguar I-Pace
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120 kW charging (480km/h) is what I read here. No idea where this site got its info however and with how much salt that should be taken. Anyway, we'll know in about six week's time I suppose.
Seems some sort of press embargo has been lifted.
Lots of articles out today
Driving the Jaguar I-Pace prototype on ice
Jaguar I-Pace (2018) review: cutting-edge tech at sub-zero temps
Jaguar iPace is the game-changer that will convince you to go electric
Lots of articles out today
Driving the Jaguar I-Pace prototype on ice
Jaguar I-Pace (2018) review: cutting-edge tech at sub-zero temps
Jaguar iPace is the game-changer that will convince you to go electric
Pentium2004
Former Vendor
I hope Jaguar is ready for the amount of people that will probably trade in their Teslas. That's if the I-Pace turns out to be a good competitor. I know I will definitely consider it because of the larger network of dealers and service centers.
Don't assume they all will service iPace.
Around here there are plenty of Nissan and Renault dealerships and service centers (over 100). Only a handful of them (5) take care of electric Renaults and none of them take care of electric Nissans Leaf is still unsupported in our country.
Well, it says those are estimated values, so I wouldn't see it as a hard fact.
Sadly very little new info in these.
Jaguar I-Pace: 45-minute rapid charging confirmed for brand's first EV | Autocar
This article claims a 45 minute charge, to 80%, on a 100 kW charger. Now not sure if a 150 kW charger would change anything, or if autocar just assumed 100 kW because of the halved charging time, but it's a lot better than the 90 minutes from a 50 kW charger.
@WarpedOne At least here in the UK, Jaguar have been doing lots of training across the dealership network, both sales and service.
My understanding is every JLR dealership is "forced" to take 3. Shop floor car, demonstrator and staff familiarisation.
I think people assuming this is a compliance car, really are in for a shock how seriously JLR are taking this project.
Again UK specific, but I've seen planning consent documents go in for the first 11 bay * 125kW CCS sites already (It's a split site with 5 servicing the northbound traffic and 6 for the southbound.). They are using Charge Point Express Plus points, and the official paper work for the planning specifically mentions future upgrades by adding Power Cubes and more bays as needed. Payment is to be simply by debit/credit card.
This is just the first of such sites being put in by Instavolt, who have an aggressive set of roll out plans this year.
My understanding is every JLR dealership is "forced" to take 3. Shop floor car, demonstrator and staff familiarisation.
I think people assuming this is a compliance car, really are in for a shock how seriously JLR are taking this project.
Again UK specific, but I've seen planning consent documents go in for the first 11 bay * 125kW CCS sites already (It's a split site with 5 servicing the northbound traffic and 6 for the southbound.). They are using Charge Point Express Plus points, and the official paper work for the planning specifically mentions future upgrades by adding Power Cubes and more bays as needed. Payment is to be simply by debit/credit card.
This is just the first of such sites being put in by Instavolt, who have an aggressive set of roll out plans this year.
Yea I think this was the unofficial info, that they told the reporters. To me it seems they want to undercut the Model S on price, which I would really like, since IMO the Model S could surely be cheaper.
jelloslug
Active Member
So far, BMW has done a very spotty job of making sure that their dealers can handle EVs and the same goes for Nissan. I just cannot see Jaguar doing much better.
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Certainly not true here in the UK.
Admittedly early days coverage was spotty, but you'll find most BMW garages are i approved (in no small part due to the popularity of both the i3 and PHEV's). Nissan were likewise struggling in the early days, but things have changed as the Leaf sales have tracked up.
Now I can only speak of my experience at Jaguar, but:
I turned up at my local Jaguar dealership, a brand I've never owned before, the day after seeing the car in Geneva to place a deposit. They already had full printed brochures, a nominated IPace specialist, and when I asked for how close the production car was to the concept , they were honest and said they only had the basics so far but a schedule for training courses at Jaguars HQ was set (both on sales and service/repair).
This in itself might not be super impressive if I was in London or Oslo, but Nottingham is a provincial city with a population of c.750k, low GDP per capita , and hardly a hotbed for EV ownership. (Our BMW dealership only just got i qualified technicians, and the nearest Tesla service centre is 55 miles away).
For me this spoke volumes about the commitment Jaguar are putting into the IPace.
Pentium2004
Former Vendor
I think it'll definitely be a rocky start. I'm hoping somebody can get it right and give Tesla a bit of competition. Even though I don't love my Tesla there isn't anything else our there like it that I could switch to. I believe good competition will not just help people looking to go elsewhere but also help people buying from Tesla. It should help drive down the sticker price and give them some motivation to make sure the majority of their customers are happy with the sales process, the vehicle itself, build quality and service.
jelloslug
Active Member
There are approval process here for the dealerships also, the issue is that there is usually only one tech at the dealer that is qualified. If they are out or otherwise occupied, you are stuck. Also, if the tech is not as well versed as you had hoped, your only recourse is to find another dealer. That's not as big of a deal with something like a Nissan, but with Jaguar, that could mean that you now have to travel quite far away for service.
@jelloslug to put this into perspective:
Nearest Tesla service to my house is 75 miles away. (150 mile round trip)
Nearest Jaguar service to my house is 7 miles away. (14 mile round trip)
Second nearest Jaguar Dealership is 38 miles away. (76 mile round trip. And actually you drive past it going to the Tesla Service Centre).
So even in the scenario where only one technician is available to service the Jag (which I think is highly doubtful) and he was ill, I would still be less inconvenienced in going to the second Jag dealership.
To be perfectly blunt though, even with Tesla technicians having perfect attendance, and working ridiculous hours, Tesla UK simply can't cope with the workload right now. It's weeks to get a car in even for a 12v battery swap.
So really both Tesla and Jaguar need to invest money into hiring / training EV qualified technicians. However Tesla also need to invest in a vast number more service centres globally, and extend their customer reach outside a radius of their current facilities.
I know Tesla are talking about mobile service as a way to address some of these concerns, but realistically they are only going to be able to fix non HV issues... which is something any non EV qualified Jaguar technician would be able to do too.
FWIW I think outside the US, Tesla's decision to not go down the dealer route, was not the smartest decision.
Nearest Tesla service to my house is 75 miles away. (150 mile round trip)
Nearest Jaguar service to my house is 7 miles away. (14 mile round trip)
Second nearest Jaguar Dealership is 38 miles away. (76 mile round trip. And actually you drive past it going to the Tesla Service Centre).
So even in the scenario where only one technician is available to service the Jag (which I think is highly doubtful) and he was ill, I would still be less inconvenienced in going to the second Jag dealership.
To be perfectly blunt though, even with Tesla technicians having perfect attendance, and working ridiculous hours, Tesla UK simply can't cope with the workload right now. It's weeks to get a car in even for a 12v battery swap.
So really both Tesla and Jaguar need to invest money into hiring / training EV qualified technicians. However Tesla also need to invest in a vast number more service centres globally, and extend their customer reach outside a radius of their current facilities.
I know Tesla are talking about mobile service as a way to address some of these concerns, but realistically they are only going to be able to fix non HV issues... which is something any non EV qualified Jaguar technician would be able to do too.
FWIW I think outside the US, Tesla's decision to not go down the dealer route, was not the smartest decision.
jelloslug
Active Member
Things are much more spread out here, especially in non-metro areas, so the concentration of the more high end dealers is much smaller. The Tesla Mobile Service trucks are their ace in the hole, no matter how far away your nearest service center is, Tesla can always send one to you.
We will have to wait and see how successful that service is.
In pure utilisation rates of service technicians, they face the very real problem large parts of their days are spent driving around between customers. Add on to that anyone who's worked on a car outside will know first hand how much more difficult and time consuming it is compared to being in a fully fitted out workshop complete with ramps, so productivity will also go down.
This means Tesla will have to employee more service technicians, and duplicate all the tools needed to work on the cars, to every service vehicle.
Getting customers to drop off their cars, where they can be assigned job cards and worked on in a sequenced and ordered way just seems far more productive.
Tesla UK did actually have a big service van at one point and it came to do some work on my car. TBH I felt sorry for the guy it was cold and raining, he clearly looked miserable (and I don't blame him)
Personally I also think it gives off a terribly unprofessional image. Not just for Tesla, but having my office car park being used to repair cars was not a good look for visitors.
Jigglypuff
Member
I'm strongly considering an iPace because of the nice interior, styling, and build quality compared to Tesla. That said, I'd happily dump all fast charging if it means less expense or less weight. How often do you guys drive more than 200 miles a day, let alone over 100? The last time I went over 200 miles in a day was 2 years ago, and since I was going to Laguna Seca to drive, an EV was out anyway. For the rare occasion, I could easily rent an IC car. Anything over a 3 hour drive and I usually fly.
jelloslug
Active Member
Speaking personally, it was the handful of times a year I got dragged to sales or high value customer meetings. (I was a CTO)
These would be round trips outside battery range, and after a while the sales guys would refuse to go in the Tesla because the journey home mandated a stop. At that point in the day, they just wanted to get home to their families.
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True.
The counter to that is they are being built by Magna.
The general consensus on cars built by them on behalf of manufacturers is they are better than the in-house stuff.
The G Wagon and Peugeot RCZ both being prime examples.
