12 x 3.8 = 45.6 watts
Right-O. Plus 300-400 W for gpu gives less than 500 W. Go team.
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12 x 3.8 = 45.6 watts
It absolutely does.Did not you want to write "Less than 50W?" Autopilot is not heating yet...
The actual voltage is 14V.12 x 3.8 = 45.6 watts
The -charging- voltage is about 14.2. The -battery- voltage is about 12.5.The actual voltage is 14V.
So, 14 x 3.8 = 53.2 watts actual
The chip they have is an equivalent to 1060 card pretty much.Hang on, let's just go back to the published nVidia numbers. Don't they claim those chips can consume as much at 400w when running at full load? There's no way that thing is processing what it is (or processing FSD) at 40watts. We are talking about something more powerful than a 10x0 series graphics card here.
Hang on, let's just go back to the published nVidia numbers. Don't they claim those chips can consume as much at 400w when running at full load? There's no way that thing is processing what it is (or processing FSD) at 40watts. We are talking about something more powerful than a 10x0 series graphics card here.
The -charging- voltage is about 14.2. The -battery- voltage is about 12.5.
You must charge at a higher voltage than the battery or, eh, it won't charge.
Well that's interesting. And disappointing. And basically proves my unpopular claim from the beginning that Tesla released AP2.0 hardware knowing it wouldn't be enough for FSD. The next shoe to drop will be that the sensor suite isn't up to the task in all common weather conditions.Tesla NEVER had the ~500W Nvidia machine. People extrapolated this based on unbounded optimism, because on the other hand you had the possibility that Tesla was shipping a chip that wasn't capable of FSD by Nvidia's standards. Which is true.
Well that's interesting. And disappointing. And basically proves my unpopular claim from the beginning that Tesla released AP2.0 hardware knowing it wouldn't be enough for FSD. The next shoe to drop will be that the sensor suite isn't up to the task in all common weather conditions.
Rear radar would have been acceptable to address a large majority of driving conditions and improve existing performance. But their hubris prevented them (EM rather). But this truly is a car designed for California. Just look at the model 3 windows and door handles sticking in ice.....I've been saying this since day 1 as well, but no one seems to listen or care. The cameras are basically useless in even minor rain/fog/etc. If they would have included, at a minimum, the rear corner radars, then I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. There's absolutely no way the currently hardware+sensor suite can get close to FSD without absolutely perfect conditions.
But seriously, just try to use your backup camera when it gets just a little wet. Then cover all of your windows and try to drive using just that. God speed.
The dynamic range on the cameras is impressive, but it's still not good enough to see many vehicles approaching on the sides/behind when it's dark outside. It's easily fooled by lights in the distance and other things and lots of the time won't detect a vehicle until it's basically within reach-out-the-window-and-touch-it distance. Radars would have solved that, since they'd have a reference to go with for the limited visual data.
But nothing will make this hardware/sensor suite work well in the rain. It can do autosteer ok in the rain right now because of the forward radar augmenting the forward vision data. Beyond that, FSD isn't happening in the rain/snow/whatever. So, you'll set a course in your FSD Tesla when it's sunny, 5 miles down the road an unexpected Florida sun-shower pops up, and the car will be screwed.
I guess Tesla still hasn't figured out that not everyone lives in California. Pretty obvious in my Model 3 with the latest firmware where today I had to just constantly keep hitting the wiper-swipe button for intermittent wipers, despite being set to AUTO the whole time. The windshield basically has to be covered in rain completely to the point where you can't make out a car directly ahead before the auto wipers come on.
Lost a lot of faith in Tesla on this stuff over the years. Over sell, under deliver. All of the time with minimal exceptions.
I've been saying this since day 1 as well, but no one seems to listen or care. The cameras are basically useless in even minor rain/fog/etc. If they would have included, at a minimum, the rear corner radars, then I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. There's absolutely no way the currently hardware+sensor suite can get close to FSD without absolutely perfect conditions.
But seriously, just try to use your backup camera when it gets just a little wet. Then cover all of your windows and try to drive using just that. God speed.
The dynamic range on the cameras is impressive, but it's still not good enough to see many vehicles approaching on the sides/behind when it's dark outside. It's easily fooled by lights in the distance and other things and lots of the time won't detect a vehicle until it's basically within reach-out-the-window-and-touch-it distance. Radars would have solved that, since they'd have a reference to go with for the limited visual data.
But nothing will make this hardware/sensor suite work well in the rain. It can do autosteer ok in the rain right now because of the forward radar augmenting the forward vision data. Beyond that, FSD isn't happening in the rain/snow/whatever. So, you'll set a course in your FSD Tesla when it's sunny, 5 miles down the road an unexpected Florida sun-shower pops up, and the car will be screwed.
I guess Tesla still hasn't figured out that not everyone lives in California. Pretty obvious in my Model 3 with the latest firmware where today I had to just constantly keep hitting the wiper-swipe button for intermittent wipers, despite being set to AUTO the whole time. The windshield basically has to be covered in rain completely to the point where you can't make out a car directly ahead before the auto wipers come on.
Lost a lot of faith in Tesla on this stuff over the years. Over sell, under deliver. All of the time with minimal exceptions.
I've been saying this since day 1 as well, but no one seems to listen or care. The cameras are basically useless in even minor rain/fog/etc. If they would have included, at a minimum, the rear corner radars, then I would have given them the benefit of the doubt. There's absolutely no way the currently hardware+sensor suite can get close to FSD without absolutely perfect conditions.
But seriously, just try to use your backup camera when it gets just a little wet. Then cover all of your windows and try to drive using just that. God speed.
The dynamic range on the cameras is impressive, but it's still not good enough to see many vehicles approaching on the sides/behind when it's dark outside. It's easily fooled by lights in the distance and other things and lots of the time won't detect a vehicle until it's basically within reach-out-the-window-and-touch-it distance. Radars would have solved that, since they'd have a reference to go with for the limited visual data.
But nothing will make this hardware/sensor suite work well in the rain. It can do autosteer ok in the rain right now because of the forward radar augmenting the forward vision data. Beyond that, FSD isn't happening in the rain/snow/whatever. So, you'll set a course in your FSD Tesla when it's sunny, 5 miles down the road an unexpected Florida sun-shower pops up, and the car will be screwed.
I guess Tesla still hasn't figured out that not everyone lives in California. Pretty obvious in my Model 3 with the latest firmware where today I had to just constantly keep hitting the wiper-swipe button for intermittent wipers, despite being set to AUTO the whole time. The windshield basically has to be covered in rain completely to the point where you can't make out a car directly ahead before the auto wipers come on.
Lost a lot of faith in Tesla on this stuff over the years. Over sell, under deliver. All of the time with minimal exceptions.
Yeah, the "neural network" will be able to decide in a fraction of the time a human could, that it can't see worth a damn.Do we know yet how an optimized neural net will process those rainy/foggy images compared to a human? I wouldn't rule out that there is some signal in what looks like noise to us. Nvidia's '16 DRIVENet Demo was pretty impressive in this regard[1], and obviously these things only get better with more data.
Certainly AP2-3 won't work in all conditions, but I think it's too early to say where the point is at which (current sensors + optimized software) will be statistically less safe than a human driver. That's based on what I know at least, but maybe not on what you know.
[1] See 7:20
But the human would go ahead and drive anyway.Yeah, the "neural network" will be able to decide in a fraction of the time a human could, that it can't see worth a damn.