It's actually 26 minutes, you know those last 3 minutes make all the difference!Haha its funny, a lot of wives rather save the money. But if your wife would rather save 23 minutes by spending $16,500, that's her right as your wife
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It's actually 26 minutes, you know those last 3 minutes make all the difference!Haha its funny, a lot of wives rather save the money. But if your wife would rather save 23 minutes by spending $16,500, that's her right as your wife
It's actually 26 minutes, you know those last 3 minutes make all the difference!
+1 The only place that I wished for more range than my 70D was in Murdo, SD. Unfortunately, driving 85 mph into a 20 mph headwind means an absolute mandatory stop before trying the 140 mi leg to Rapid City. Actually, let me correct that: I didn't need more than 70 KWh, I just needed it to fill FASTER.
26 minutes extra time *each* direction of the trip. We makes trips similar to this distance at least once a month. If you do lots of road trips, the extra time really adds up.Haha its funny, a lot of wives rather save the money. But if your wife would rather save 23 minutes by spending $16,500, that's her right as your wife
26 minutes extra time *each* direction of the trip. We makes trips similar to this distance at least once a month. If you do lots of road trips, the extra time really adds up.
Or goes down if you figure the increased resale value....if you sell the car sooner though, then that time cost goes up...
Anyway, I'm thinking stick with the 75D. What do you guys think?
Thanks ILLCOMM for the input. I don't think I'm going to be taking these long trips too often to justify the cost. On the lease I think it will be about $10000 more over the lifetime of the lease. I'll probably deal with the limitations of the 75D. The 100D would only be better in 5-10% of my driving time anyway. In three years the landscape should change as other car manufacturers are able to bring their pure EV vehicles to market, and maybe battery technology will make some additional progress by then.
See below for data I've collected on my MS 75D (I started collecting at ~2700mi). This is what I have learned in 10 months of ownership.
1) You cannot count on 259 miles of range. If you look at the bottom right chart you can see my efficiency in Wh/mi. The rated range (259 miles) requires ~280 Wh/mi efficiency. The math is usable pack size divided by 259 or: 72600/259. My average is around 320 Wh/mi (226 miles of range). I can get somewhat near 280 Wh/mi on long highway road trips at ideal temps (which seem to be above 75deg). Unfortunately, a drive I often make is 220 miles away, so I am right on the cusp with the reality of range, whereas when I bought the car I thought I'd make it no problem. This has been a big disappointment. (Note: I do have the 21" rims, so I am hurting myself a bit on this measure.)
2) Rated max range degrades over time. The bottom left chart shows the imputed max range, and as you can see it is declining over time, though note that the chart is zoomed in closely. I charge to max around once or twice a month to make my long trip, so the car should be well calibrated to compute max range. So, combine this with point #1 and the max trip you can take starts to get shorter and shorter.
3) The extra cost is a lot. This is why I didn't opt for it. My logic was just take 15 minutes at a super charger every so often and save $20k. Well, that's not wrong, but it's possible if financing the car that the difference isn't actually material on a month to month basis and the resale value might actually nullify the difference. So, it could be worth it.
4) Supercharging is different. I was (still am actually) furious at my salesperson because they swore the 75 and 100 packs were the same. They are not. The 100 pack charges faster. ALSO, superchargers only charge fast when they are not shared. Each supercharger has two outputs (A and B) and if you have another Tesla on the same circuit it slows everything down, by like half. As more Teslas get on the road I am finding I am sharing more often. This is only going to get worse. So, 15 or 20 minute charges are turning into 30-40 minutes. Big difference on a road trip.
5) I have meticulously charged the car to 70% to try to preserve battery life. I just recently changed to 80% (you can see in the last few data points on top-left chart) because the degradation in range was happening anyway.
So, all together if I had to do it all over again I think I would have done the 100 and I do feel a bit cheated because 259 is a pipe dream and the 75 is not as good at superchargers - two things Tesla marketing or representatives seem to have misled me on.
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And also winter range is nowhere closer to 250. Probably more like 200.
Do you get 259 on 100% charge?
My 94 year-old father in-law once told me: money is a renewable resource, time is not.So you're valuing your time at $35/hr
I live in Cypress, CA (near Orange County) and my daily round trip commute is about 20 miles, with some days stretching to 40-60 if I have to travel between work sites more often. It's probably going to be mostly surface streets. At home I will be charging with only a 110V outlet (still renting) and I don't think I'll be allowed to modify it.
Lots of good discussion on the vehicle, let me address the charging . While on vacation we needed a better rate but only had 120 available. A quick trip to Home Depot, 2 extension cords , a NEMA 1450 plug, and a cheap little 120/240 lighted indicator, and we wired up a 240 volt 12 amp charging adapter. Had to try a half dozen 120 plug pairs before we found two that worked, but it did the job. Might work for you as well.
My 75D when new had a 100% of 259 miles. It now has 253 miles.