Wouldn't the repeater camera near the front fender help with this to complement the B-pillar camera's view? Together, they probably provide full side coverage or close to it.
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Wiki MASTER THREAD: Actual FSD Beta downloads and experiences
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the repeaters are pointed pretty far backwards. I don't think they contribute at all to cross traffic visibility.
The B-pillar cameras are angled forward. If @aronth5 is correct that the B pillar cameras require a perpendicular approach for a right turn, that would imply its field of view is not wide enough and/or the cameras are pointed too far forward.
I will give unlined streets a more thorough test tonight, from the far side of my neighborhood. I hope your experience is more common, and I was being too harsh on my initial short drive.
Oh yeah I also noticed the visualization going away, but perhaps it was accidentally added in the first place as those speed bumps would still be visualized as part of the "visualization preview" even with FSD Beta turned off.
Stop lines are now back as blurry lines similar to the crosswalk visual except thinner and shorter.
gadelrosario
Member
I tried 10.5 on my short 7 mile drive home last evening and had lots of phantom braking. I also noticed that the visuals have changed. A lot less busy - only 2 solid blue lines and no forward “tracer” to indicate the vehicle’s path. Is everyone else seeing that or is it only me?
brunla
MS-LR / MSM / Black / Arachnid / FSD
Serious question here: I have the new refresh S and I am watching videos of M3's and MY's in FSD beta and it is a totally different experience than what I am having. It is constant disengagements for me. I went 2 miles this AM and had to disengage 5 times. And yes I have recalibrated my cams each time (not yet on 10.5). Could it be that FSD beta works better on some vehicles like 3's and Y's than the new S?
I would not be surprised if some vehicles perform better at this point. FWIW My experience with my Plaid was like yours on 10.4 and I pretty much stopped using it. 10.5 is much better.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
We have talked quite a bit about it earlier in this threads.
It is a combination of getting used to at - and watching the video being much different than actually driving. On TV things always look easier than when you do it for the first time.
As in it's showing the same as non-FSD Autopilot visualizations? Did you re-enable (and agree to the new terms) FSD Beta?
brunla
MS-LR / MSM / Black / Arachnid / FSD
Yep that was my experience with 10.3 and 10.4 as well. Just turned it off. I will do a cam recalibration with 10.5 and see what happens. It's definitely smoother outside of metro LA, but I've still needed to disengage quite often even while in suburbs. Probably have more test vehicles that are 3's and Y's and more data for them is my guess.
Is there an actual box painted on the road? I wouldn't expect FSD beta to handle this properly yet unless the road is marked. There is a road I was on with beta 10.3.1 where a box is marked to not block an "intersection" (parking lot, technically), and it did stop short of the box while there was another vehicle stopped on the other side of the box at the red light.
Without having been there to experience it, and based on your description, I really doubt FSD even knew there was a slip here. Not sure if you could tell with FSD visualization engaged (where would relevant "idiot lights" be placed to "illuminate"), but prior to FSD beta, I've experienced plenty of slips where detection was indicated along with more than I'd expect where it wasn't.
Very much this @gadelrosario
You're describing normal AP visualizations. Either you didn't re-enable FSD beta per the first item in the release notes (FSD beta was disabled so that you'd have to agree to new terms to continue using it), your FSD beta visualization option is turned off, or you're experiencing a bug where a reboot or next drive may clear it.
old pilot
Member
4 mile drive on back roads little traffic, dry roads, chill mode. Much smoother turns and acceleration and deceleration on turns. Still crossing yellow line on right curves and 90 turns. Still moving left to make a right 90 turn but it is not as abrupt (gradual early move to left to get close to left center line)
While significant improvements in my night drive, still seeing a decent (but less)amount of phantom braking during the daylight with traffic. The situations were rounding some curves coming upon oncoming traffic, cars from side streets looking to turn on to road I am driving (think Tesla creep out versus stopped at the line), and cars turning on from a side street on the opposite side of the road and going in the opposite direction. There were definitely less non-other vehicle phantom braking. It's clearly improved and will be good to see further refinement. Time will tell if I assess the need to disengage with traffic behind me - at this point I think I will keeping FSD engaged and using the pedal to address phantom braking as it definitely appears approved based on this initial daylight drive.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Had a comparatively bad drive in the morning dropping off kids.
Its the same route I've done 20x over the last month with FSD - there is some variability, even with same release. So, have to wait for a few more drives for a reliable report.
- On the first right turn from stop, suddenly jerked the wheel to the left - so got disengaged. While I've written a lot about the jerkiness when turning right from a stop, none of the wheel action has been this much.
- At an intersection where the side roads have stop signs, the shoulder starts out very broad and then narrows. On rainy nights, the car had got confused once and gotten into the shoulder - but today in broad day light on a dray day, the car decided to use the shoulder rather than the lane it has taken every day. Second disengagement.
- At a signal when going straight, the car decided to go only 100 ft or so and then stop. Not sure what happened - had to take over. Unfortunately hadn't turned on the camera. So, third disengagement.
Apart from the above 3, had some usual disengagements.
- At a traffic signal where the car needs to turn right, it is supposed to be no-turn on red (the signal says "right turn signal"). But most people turn and honk if someone doesn't. Had to disengage here because, the car stopped well short of the intersection and for me to even press the go pedal, I need the car to creep. Not sure we can control the creep by pushing the go pedal, without the car deciding to take off at the wrong time.
- Roundabout that is not in the map
Other observations ..
- The car seemed to keep more to theleft right on unmarked roads. Could be just the normal variability.
- When finishing the drive at home, the car came closer to the curb. New behavior or just by chance ?
- Turns when already moving have always been variable. Some smooth, others jerky. Today all the turns seemed jerky.
So, on the basis of this one drive, I've to say 10.5 was worse than 10.4. But need more observations to confirm.
Its the same route I've done 20x over the last month with FSD - there is some variability, even with same release. So, have to wait for a few more drives for a reliable report.
- On the first right turn from stop, suddenly jerked the wheel to the left - so got disengaged. While I've written a lot about the jerkiness when turning right from a stop, none of the wheel action has been this much.
- At an intersection where the side roads have stop signs, the shoulder starts out very broad and then narrows. On rainy nights, the car had got confused once and gotten into the shoulder - but today in broad day light on a dray day, the car decided to use the shoulder rather than the lane it has taken every day. Second disengagement.
- At a signal when going straight, the car decided to go only 100 ft or so and then stop. Not sure what happened - had to take over. Unfortunately hadn't turned on the camera. So, third disengagement.
Apart from the above 3, had some usual disengagements.
- At a traffic signal where the car needs to turn right, it is supposed to be no-turn on red (the signal says "right turn signal"). But most people turn and honk if someone doesn't. Had to disengage here because, the car stopped well short of the intersection and for me to even press the go pedal, I need the car to creep. Not sure we can control the creep by pushing the go pedal, without the car deciding to take off at the wrong time.
- Roundabout that is not in the map
Other observations ..
- The car seemed to keep more to the
- When finishing the drive at home, the car came closer to the curb. New behavior or just by chance ?
- Turns when already moving have always been variable. Some smooth, others jerky. Today all the turns seemed jerky.
So, on the basis of this one drive, I've to say 10.5 was worse than 10.4. But need more observations to confirm.
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This mornings run on the new 36.8.8, I'm getting Phantom Braking where I have never experienced it before. Looks like the driveways from the warehouses and businesses are causing it to brake. Never had this happen in the past 3 years or on 36.8.5.
NOA on the highway run today would not change into the right lane. The lane would turn blue, the box the car was going into was projected, blinker just kept blinking and car would not move over. I had to manually intervene each time and I tried multiple times. There were no cars or vehicles nearby and highway clearly marked, no issues with sun or anything else. Car has never had a problem on this local highway. If i put the left blinker on it would turn the lane blue project the box and move over immediately. Interestingly when I was in the right lane and had to exit, it put the signal on and moved over on it's own. Not sure why noa right lane change is no longer working under 36.8.8
Maybe I'll make a run with Autolane change no prompt and see if i can get it to do it without me signaling. Also I'll make a run with Beta turned off too and see what happens.
NOA on the highway run today would not change into the right lane. The lane would turn blue, the box the car was going into was projected, blinker just kept blinking and car would not move over. I had to manually intervene each time and I tried multiple times. There were no cars or vehicles nearby and highway clearly marked, no issues with sun or anything else. Car has never had a problem on this local highway. If i put the left blinker on it would turn the lane blue project the box and move over immediately. Interestingly when I was in the right lane and had to exit, it put the signal on and moved over on it's own. Not sure why noa right lane change is no longer working under 36.8.8
Maybe I'll make a run with Autolane change no prompt and see if i can get it to do it without me signaling. Also I'll make a run with Beta turned off too and see what happens.
gadelrosario
Member
Yes I did. I called tech support and was told that maps had not completely updated and was advised to schedule mobile service (which I've done).
gadelrosario
Member
I had a lot of phantom braking as previously mentioned but also received a lot of disengagements and warnings to take control right away.
Went out for a second drive and the only thing I can say is that was the worst drive on any FSD version I've ever had. So incredibly bad I finally just gave up and reported the problems to Tesla. And I was so looking forward to a positive drive after seeing most people had really good things to say. I have to think the upgrade didn't install properly. And just for my piece of mind I recalibrated the cameras and performed a power off/on.
The update also enabled the confirm lane change which I didn't realize until I was on the highway. Me bad for not checking all my settings.
The update also enabled the confirm lane change which I didn't realize until I was on the highway. Me bad for not checking all my settings.
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old pilot
Member
" I need the car to creep." I use "chill" mode and the directions indicate that the car will not creep in this mode. What mode do you use? I am going to try the normal mode next time and see what the difference is.
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