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They really need to just call this the “Hans und Franz’ show.. I’m certain internally, that’s the moniker.Hopefully Lars and Franz can breakdown the wall behind them and show us the stuff that we really care about!
At least it wasn’t an Elon presentation, it wouldn’t have even STARTED by now.welp folks, it was a pleasure wasting 30 minutes with ya
Honestly thoAt least it wasn’t an Elon presentation, it wouldn’t have even STARTED by now.
They’re probably very similar, but so what? Tesla is no stranger to limiting power with similar or identical hardware to maintain product differentiationCars are battery limited. I've always said that no big bump was coming. I also believe the 4D1 and 4D2 are very similar.
R2 doesn’t actually ship till 2026. Cars will be doing sub 1 second 0-60 mph by then.The Rivian R2 is advertising a 0-60 under 3 seconds and a price of around $45K. For a modern performance EV, 0-60 above 3 just doesn't cut it anymore when a Cybertruck or R1 is faster, and now the R2.
I wonder if Tesla was waiting for the R2 and R3 announcements to figure out where they have to set the M3P's performance (given it's all just tune-able software balance between warranty costs, production yield, and performance)
That $45k is base model. The tri motor version will be much much more than that.The Rivian R2 is advertising a 0-60 under 3 seconds and a price of around $45K. For a modern performance EV, 0-60 above 3 just doesn't cut it anymore when a Cybertruck or R1 is faster, and now the R2.
I wonder if Tesla was waiting for the R2 and R3 announcements to figure out where they have to set the M3P's performance (given it's all just tune-able software balance between warranty costs, production yield, and performance)
It’s vaporware at the moment. At least if we go by the metric that was used for the CT when it was paraded on stage.The Rivian R2 is advertising a 0-60 under 3 seconds and a price of around $45K.
Service worse than Tesla? Is that possible?It’s vaporware at the moment. At least if we go by the metric that was used for the CT when it was paraded on stage.
Highly doubt it will come in at their price point, as they had to eat crow to offer R1 vehicles at the announced & locked in price point. At least they learned this time and didn’t lock people into reveal pricing.
Did they just do a cash raise by taking preorder money? probably. Will the produce the product? time will tell. Would I buy another vehicle from them while their service dept is in shambles? - heeeeeckkkkk no. Not ever. Not me. Fool me once…
Tesla service has never been this bad. In 16yrs of ownership I’ve never once experienced an issue near this bad. Even showing up with a rooted MCU2 they said nothing.Service worse than Tesla? Is that possible?
What's bad about Rivian service?Tesla service has never been this bad. In 16yrs of ownership I’ve never once experienced an issue near this bad. Even showing up with a rooted MCU2 they said nothing.
Heck, they service our time attack prepped <read: heavily modified> model 3 without so much as an eye roll/scoff.
Nothing if you’re not a tsla investorWhat's bad about Rivian service?
This is what I was gunna say. That 0-60 time is NOT for the 45k trimThat $45k is base model. The tri motor version will be much much more than that.
3AM roll racing is utterly useless except as a d*ck-waving contest.
The Model 3 Performance is quick where it needs to be - below 100 mph, where every single one of them spends 99% of its time.