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chronopc
Active Member
They also lose money on every Bolt they sell. If demand was high they could charge more for it and maybe produce more.
chronopc
Active Member
Not sure if this is accurate, but seems like the I-Pace uses more energy than a Tesla. Which means cost of each mile driven will be higher.
r/teslamotors - Someone proficient German can tldr this video for us? It’s about I-pace energy consumption vs tesla in long distance driving
r/teslamotors - Someone proficient German can tldr this video for us? It’s about I-pace energy consumption vs tesla in long distance driving
suwaneedad
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Although the Kona doesn't match my use case (access to the supercharging network is a major reason I bought a Tesla), I'm sure it will appeal to many in the US. There's no chance that I'm going to spend nearly an hour to get 200mi of range back in the battery (per Car & Driver), if I can find a charger for the Kona while on the highway. But again, I'm sure there will be a large addressable market for this vehicle in the US, so bravo to Hyundai bringing it to market and doing so ahead of Model Y for that matter. If one of my kids needs a new car when the Kona is available, I will take a look at it for sure particularly if an unlimited warranty is real once it launches in the US.
My wife and I need the long-range charging network that the superchargers provide, but only on one car. Overnight charging with a range of, say, 200 miles on the second car would be more than enough in our case. I would expect that to be the case for many households.
So, we're holding on to the Model S but it's highly likely that the next car will not be a Tesla.
So, we're holding on to the Model S but it's highly likely that the next car will not be a Tesla.
ℬête Noire
Active Member
They did. Not clear it’s the case now that the Model 3 is walk-up order & getting close to opening for Bolt-price range.
Sales have been slipping for a few months now & were barely 1000 in June. Unclear if this is supply related, but maybe?
chronopc
Active Member
There will definitely be a market for less expensive EVs. Especially for people who will mainly use it as a daily driver and not their only car.
sreams
Member
Battery capacity is meaningless. Range is what matters. The Kona gets 13% more range than a SR Model 3. Less than what the battery capacity difference might suggest.
Unsold Bolts are sitting on lots across the country. Chevy recent reported they will increase annual production by 20%, what is that another 5,000 Bolts. If they were highly profitable, or in high demand, why the limited production increase?
chronopc
Active Member
According to TrueCar.com there is plenty of available inventory. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ℬête Noire
Active Member
It won't be 250 miles range. Kia was claiming 280mi at one point but as far as I can tell they've walked that back: Kia Niro EV hits the market in Korea That's also not even the EPA number?
Dropping the range is very unsurprising given the combo of the battery size vehicle's profile and the manufacturer's stated .29 Cd of hybrid model. That also means that if you plan to take it on >60mph highways you're either keeping in the right lane or your range is going to drop like a stone.
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Do Tesla even have a WLTP figure for the M3 yet?
The combination of long range, rapid charging, hands free auto steering, HUD, Android Auto, excellent warranty, low price and actual availablity make the Kona very attractive. The major down side for me is the lack of a remote control app in Europe.
The info about the Niro and Leaf is too little too make a judgement yet.
The combination of long range, rapid charging, hands free auto steering, HUD, Android Auto, excellent warranty, low price and actual availablity make the Kona very attractive. The major down side for me is the lack of a remote control app in Europe.
The info about the Niro and Leaf is too little too make a judgement yet.
ℬête Noire
Active Member
Sounds like: "The Black Plague made Europe very attractive as it drove vacancy rates up meaning high housing availability."
In the US? Like the Hyundai Ioniq?
Which AFAIK isn't sold anywhere outside of ZEV States, and even there is very hard to get hold of? Expect "battery supply" issues to prevail.The long range variant seems to be a slightly smaller Bolt with maybe a few more miles of range, That includes the matching feature of lane steering correction (which is NOT "hands free", seriously pattern of misinformation isn't accidental?). Hyundai will have a step on GM with the Tax Credit for a while, though.
The HUD is an interesting feature. I'm looking forward to how that pans out.
Sounds like: "The Black Plague made Europe very attractive as it drove vacancy rates up meaning high housing availability."
???
I'm not in the US... Although the M3 SR isn't available there either.
The bolt is a little smaller actually, according to GM: 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV
4166x1765x1594 for the Bolt, 4180x1800x1570 for the Kona. The Niro is similar to the Kona but 20cm longer and has a lot more cargo capacity.
As for hands free, here is the video:
As you can see it's full lane following, either via road markings or the car in front, combined with TACC.
You seriously need to google these claims you keep making, I mean how hard is it to check things like dimensions?
CO2CLEAN
Olivier Willemsen
The Kona has 482 WLTP kilometers (299 miles), the Bolt (Opel Ampera-e in EU) has 380 WLTP kilometers of range (236 miles).
ℬête Noire
Active Member
It is something of an oddity that the Bolt WLTP tests out to the same as EPA (technically slightly lower). There's a good reason why US press still talks it up as a 250mi range car even after the release of those official numbers.
P.S. It will be interesting to see, as we get more data points, the level of correlation (or not) between relative sluggishness, such as Kona vs the Bolt, and eMPG.
ℬête Noire
Active Member
Android Auto/CarPlay is halfassed nav/infotainment.
Sorry, meant slightly squatter, although it is longer/wider by a hair (and has some more cargo capacity). My point here was they are quite similar form vehicles ("compact crossovers").
...here is Hyundia's description.
The video you have is dead straight (which even my '82 Dodge Diplomat could handle for short distances
). It does work on corners to an extent but it's not really "hands free". You'll see that on the extended Youtube videos of it, people cruising a bit and then grab for a while (speeding up the video) then taking their hands off the wheel again.Which sadly the Kona Electric doesn't have.
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The point is Bolt & Kona are similar vehicles. In form and features....and expect Ioniq's supply constraint to follow it. Even outside the US (the US supply constraints were just a mirror of worldwide). Battery production capacity is likely to be the #1 constraint on sales (of BEVs in general) for years to come. It's linked to cost but also it takes years to build production facilities, so with a steep demand ramp you're always going to be tight on supply.
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seattlite2004
Active Member
I initially thought that way...but after using it a for a few weeks....I really like it.....and it's FREE with every smartphone.
ℬête Noire
Active Member
And worth every penny?
I've personally found it isn't even worth that. Just use my phone directly, now. Half the time I just turn off the Bolt display entirely, especially driving at night.
JeffK
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Hyundai only had plans for level 2 this year and level 3 was planned for 2020-2021 timeframe if I remember correctly.
The video doesn't show the bottom of the steering wheel, where many people hold a single hand on it.
The video doesn't show the bottom of the steering wheel, where many people hold a single hand on it.
