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Model 3 vs. Volvo S60 (Tesla deception at it yet again. Sad!)

Discussion in 'Model 3' started by Bladerskb, Jul 29, 2017.

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  1. Bladerskb

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    NHTSA NVS | Vehicle Crash Test Database - Test Detail Information

    Not only are the poles different but...

    "The Volvo sticker shows test number that can be found on NHTSA DB (https://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/database/VSR/veh/TestDetail.aspx?LJC=9498 …) indicates 38.28mph. Tesla sticker shows 20mph..."

    Literally about 20 mph more speed. They just can't help themselves.

    Tiberius StarGazer on Twitter

    Yet There are hundreds of articles and media coverage today spreading the lies that Elon put out saying model 3 is the safety car in the world and completely outclasses the volvo and repeatedly showing that video clips.

    This is shameful.
     
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    The NHTSA link might be referring to the side impact and not the side pole
     
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    Yet the clip seems to be from this video:



    NHTSA - New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) side pole impact:
    A small-sized adult female crash test dummy is placed in the driver's seat and is secured with a seat belt. The test vehicle, angled at 75 degrees, is then pulled sideways at 20 mph (32km/h) into a 25-cm diameter pole at the driver's seating location. This test mimics a side impact crash involving a narrow, fixed object like a utility pole or tree. 1 star is the lowest rating; 5 stars is the highest. More stars equal safer cars.
     
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    The pole test difference is probably due to the battery pack.
     
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    The cars appear to move at the same speed.

    Also, having the big rigid battery under the floor is going to provide a lot of strength advantage to the Tesla when the pole hits it from the side.
     
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    also look at the poles. Tesla poles is shaking and unstable delivering alot less force and impact.
    Definitely different poles. Their marketing is something else.
     
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    Which is a bad thing because you want the car to take alot of the kinetic energy.
    I guess we will find out when the official results come out.
     
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    You literally just ignored what I wrote. The footage is labeled as this being a standard side pole impact test at 20mph Contradicting the claims of a rigged comparison being made. The higher speed being discussed is for the side impact test, not the pole test.

    And the reason that the pole deflects more in the Tesla case is because the vehicle doesn't.
     
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  9. Yggdrasill

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    It can be bad. In this test it doesn't really matter. It's all about decelerating a person as gently as possible. With the Volvo, the deceleration starts off slowly, as the car doesn't slow down very fast, and then you hit the side airbags, which are being compressed by the pole intruding into the cabin. With sufficient speed, the airbags will bottom out and you smash your head on the pole.

    With the Tesla, the car slows down more rapidly against the pole, meaning the person moves sideways inside the car sooner. Moving sideways, the person is cushioned by the airbags, and since the pole doesn't intrude into the cabin, the airbags have the space they need to avoid bottoming out.

    Basically, with the Tesla, the deceleration of the person starts off sooner and lasts longer, reducing max G. That means the probability of harm is lower.
     
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    Kinda like that press the NHTSA used to crush the Model S roof in, except the press broke and not the roof of the S. This says more about the car than the pole. Ever considered that the pole might not have been designed to stand up to a car as rigid as the Model 3? Of course not. I'll give you a hint, think about what that big heavy battery under the entire floor of the car bring to the table for this test. ;)

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    I'm afraid it is either your research skill or truthfulness that is shameful.

    This is the correct test data page:

    NHTSA NVS | Vehicle Crash Test Database - Test Detail Information

    Notice the test reference number of CV1516.0005 (matches the sticker) and the closing speed of 32.64 kph (20.28 mph for us Luddite Americans).

    But hey, thanks for playing.
     
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    In real live you will rarely have such a rigid pole, instead, it will typically be a tree or streetlight pole, and Tesla will softly plow through it with cabin intact ...
     
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    #13 KarenRei, Jul 29, 2017
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    That's not how it works. Everything outside the passenger safety cell is supposed to crumple as much as possible and decelerate the vehicle as slowly as possible. The passenger safety cell is supposed to not crumple at all. Crumpling of the passenger safety cell means injury and potentially death. Deceleration of the passenger within the safety cell is supposed to be done by airbags, not by the collapse of the safety cell.
     
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    Yeah, we seem to agree. The pole enters the safety cell on the Volvo, preventing the airbags from working optimally. While the pole doesn't enter the safety cell of the Tesla.
     
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    Nope, the pole did intrude.

    The top-view angle of comparison video is quite different. You can see the side of the pole in the clip of M3 but not in S60.

    The door of Model 3 is definitely bending, but Tesla didn't want to show how much. Sad.
     
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    Maybe marginally. A lot less than on the Volvo, at least.

    I'd guesstimate the pole intrudes ~20 cm more on the Volvo. That's a lot.
     
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    We all know Tesla won by a lot, so why bother using these poor trick?
     
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    What trick?
     
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    False. Not sure what you are looking at there but your info is incorrect.
     
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    #20 JeffK, Jul 29, 2017
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    The number you linked to is this video:


    as far as I can tell... that's not a pole
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    CV1516.0004

    Correct :)

    The difference in the appearance of the pole is from this being a third party testing facility instead of NHTSA. I'm sure in the future we will see an official NHTSA test.
     
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