Model S range and interior update imminent?

[sillydriver]

It's interesting that they aren't increasing kWh from 100. It may be some combination of 1) Elon's thinking that increasing range further is now at a point of diminishing returns with respect to growing unit demand; and 2) being starved for batteries for other applications, either power walls or the M3 ramp (assuming capacity to manufacture the two battery form factors is fungible).

 

[Gen3]

Im surprised the 100Kwh pack is still limited below the M3 75KWH pack. new chemistry and/or pack design should be coming soon if the S and X are supposed to remain better than the 3

 

[sillydriver]

It finally happened!!!!

Looks like interior refresh coming Q3.

Is your reasoning that it didn't occur with the new drivetrain, so it will happen in a little while?

 

[DocZ]

Is your reasoning that it didn't occur with the new drivetrain, so it will happen in a little while?

I think the interior refresh has been well rumored from multiple inside sources. Stepwise upgrades are in line with Tesla’s overall strategy, so I actually never anticipated for both drivetrain and interior to be upgraded at once.

 

[ucmndd]

It's interesting that they aren't increasing kWh from 100.

There is physically no more room for cells without a major and costly redesign of the entire pack architecture. That’s basically why.

 

[sillydriver]

There is physically no more room for cells without a major and costly redesign of the entire pack architecture. That’s basically why.

I see your point, though what I had in mind was an improvement through battery chemistry. How long has it been since the 100 pack was introduced? At least a couple years? The curve for battery performance from chemistry must be flatter than I thought.

 

[sorka]

So I could buy a brand new P100DL for $99K and still have the vertical screen?

Any idea how long this $20K loyalty program will last?

FYI, P100D(L) range now 345 miles, same as the 100D was before the range increase.

 

[wordless888]

So I could buy a brand new P100DL for $99K and still have the vertical screen?

Any idea how long this $20K loyalty program will last?

FYI, P100D(L) range now 345 miles, same as the 100D was before the range increase.

What loyalty program?

 

[sorka]

What loyalty program?

"We also want to emphasize the critical impact each of our early Tesla owners has had on advancing our mission, so as a thank you, all existing Model S and Model X owners who wish to purchase a new Model S or Model X Performance car will get the Ludicrous Mode upgrade, a $20,000 value, at no additional charge."

 

[MP3Mike]

What loyalty program?

The giving current Model S/X owners $20k off a new P100DL.

 

[wordless888]

The giving current Model S/X owners $20k off a new P100DL.

Damn...

 

[sorka]

Damn...

No kidding. I'm taking a long serious look right now. I could basically sell my P85DL for $50K and pay $55K after the rebates to have a fully optioned P100DL without FSD.

 

[ucmndd]

No kidding. I'm taking a long serious look right now. I could basically sell my P85DL for $50K and pay $55K after the rebates to have a fully optioned P100DL without FSD.

Haha, I'm running the same numbers. Don't forget the $3,000 rebate from SJVAPCD!

Drive Clean in the San Joaquin | Rebate

 

[sorka]

Haha, I'm running the same numbers. Don't forget the $3,000 rebate from SJVAPCD!

Drive Clean in the San Joaquin | Rebate

Didn't even know

 

[Tiger]

It is finally out
Breaking — Tesla Model S & X Refresh Production Test Run Is About To Start | CleanTechnica

Tesla announcement: The Longest-Range Electric Vehicle Now Goes Even Farther

Still not 500 miles, though. But I am hopeful of what's to comElater.

(duplicate post)

 

[gilscales]

Tesla announcement: The Longest-Range Electric Vehicle Now Goes Even Farther

Still not 500 miles, though. But I am hopeful of what's to comElater.

(duplicate post)

Well they squeezed out over 10% with the same batteries, not to shabby, if they are ever able to get the claimed min 20% improvement by getting the Maxwell drycell batteries (big if as of now) then they are up to almost 450 miles without any other improvements, Maxwell claims they see a path to a much higher density but have already achieved a 20% increase with double the life so while encouraging we will have to see if the merger goes through for one and if they can deliver

 

[Tes La Ferrari]

It's here!!!

well available to order anyways..

Tesla releases new longer range Model S and Model X with drivetrain, suspension upgrades, & more

Tesla releases new longer range Model S and Model X with drivetrain, suspension upgrades, & more

 

[Seattle]

I laughingly set a goal of 400 mile range and upgrade in-car electronics before I'd buy a new one to replace my 4 year old s85d. Almost got there, motortrend said they basically had 400 mile range on a real world test, with ac a driving over mountain passes. Glad tesla didn't quite get there yet

 

[thegruf]

more likely Model 3 motor up front (for efficiency) and induction at back (more power) and unlikely they would touch the motors without changing the battery too. The charging rate differential to the M3 is probably the most important thing to address first.

More Efficient Design All Model S and X vehicles now benefit from Tesla’s latest generation of drive unit technology, which combines an optimized permanent magnet synchronous reluctance motor, silicon carbide power electronics, and improved lubrication, cooling, bearings, and gear designs to achieve greater than 93% efficiency. Pairing a permanent magnet motor in the front with an induction motor in the rear enables unparalleled range and performance at all times. The net effect is a more than 10% improvement in range, with efficiency improvements in both directions as energy flows out of the battery during acceleration and back into the battery through regenerative braking. In addition to adding range, power and torque increases significantly across all Model S and Model X variants, improving 0-60 mph times for our Long Range and Standard Range models.

@MP3Mike - a misplaced Disagree i think - should have put a beer on that one

Great to see all the improvements nonetheless, even if I still think Tesla may struggle with people hanging on for an interior refresh. I'm not one to criticise Elon, but imho he really does need to control leaking of such forthcoming updates it is hugely damaging to the business by causing potential purchasers to defer. Even the million mile battery next year comment at the tech conference was misplaced imho.

 

[sorka]

Haha, I'm running the same numbers. Don't forget the $3,000 rebate from SJVAPCD!

Drive Clean in the San Joaquin | Rebate

So if I'm reading this right, I could still apply with my P85D since it's a 2015 which is on the list and I'm the original purchaser.