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Well, better. But still a $71,600 cash price, and the inventory 75’s will be gone soon.
2018 dataThe title and premise of this thread have me confused - or - y'all are seeing something I am not.
Inside EV's show increased sales for the 3, X and S
Vehicle. Jan 19. - Feb 19. - Mar 19
3. --- 6500 - 5650 - 10,175
X --- 775 - 900 - 2,175
S. --- 725. - 624 - 2,275
What am I overlooking?
Tesla deliveries fall—especially for high-end Model S and X
The S/X is dead and can’t be refreshed soon enough. Even the massive price decreases don’t seem to be enticing new buyers. Now what? We all sorta saw this coming but less than half the deliveries of the prior quarter is way worse than I was expecting.
What is taking so long? They have had two years to do it?
With my 2016 MS that I purchased on 9/29/2016, had I known that the AP 2.0 would be available just days later, obviousLy I would have waited.
Since there's no entry point with model years, and the depreciation is so atrocious, how can anyone buy/trade for a new MS when it may have relative obsolescence (with the attendant huge increase in depreciation) shortly after purchase? To me, the analogy of a technologically superior M3 to the flagship MS, is clear.
Unmistakably, I love my car, but I wish that there was a more thoughtful, measured approach to updates - flagship MS with the latest and best technology after thorough testing and hardware model year releases. After spending a $100k on a new car, you would like to feel that you have the newest hardware for the next year - not just a few days or weeks.
It's hard for to grasp how Tesla could do a major update to the S/X with so much else on their plate. And do they even have enough 2170 cells for S/X/3/Y all at once?
And then there's Tesla's stated goal of moving everybody into EV's. The 3 and the Y do that in spades, but I'm not sure the S & X are really necessary. I love my X, but I'm going to give the Y a close look some day when I can sit in it.
It’s only my opinion, but I think the two primary reasons for the S/X sales drops are:
1. Prices for a new S or X have risen significantly. For example, the lowest-cost S is now $85k, and much more if a few basic options are added. p.s. Opinion: Things such as paint should not cost extra on a high-end car.
2. Model 3 sales gave buyers an option within acceptable price ranges well(!) below $85k. Combine that with S/X price increases and a reduction in S/X sales seems normal.
I don’t think any of this was a mistake my Musk or Tesla. On the contrary, I think it’s their intentional strategy to sell the Model 3 which probably has higher margins. I expect we’ll see similar S/X/3 sales reductions when the Model Y becomes available.
It’s all part of the master plan. Genius.
The title and premise of this thread have me confused - or - y'all are seeing something I am not.
Inside EV's show increased sales for the 3, X and S
Vehicle. Jan 19. - Feb 19. - Mar 19
3. --- 6500 - 5650 - 10,175
X --- 775 - 900 - 2,175
S. --- 725. - 624 - 2,275
What am I overlooking?
This. ↑ ↑ ↑They started out as a premium car company because that was the way into the market. Rich people are more willing to part with $100K on something unproven. Some upper middle class people can afford a $100K car, but it's going to take a lot more budget planning and they will be more risk averse because they can't afford to lose $100K.
S and X sales have suffered with the reduction in the Federal Tax Credit. That went a long way in making them a value proposition purchase.
2018 data
I agree many S buyers would have bought a 3 if available (not me though) so that weighs down demand, but doesn't really explain the sharpness of the sequential fall in Q1. I agree there is no reason to upgrade to a new S. Mine just turned four and there are multiple features (the old nose, leather, yacht floor, alcantara, 80 amp dual charging, strong HID headlights) that I like better than what's available in new S. A new interior and exterior refresh could change that. With S sales falling sharply I think it's rational for potential buyers to believe either 1) a significant refresh is around the corner or 2) the S will be end-of-lifed and become an orphan product. In neither case would it be rational to buy right now, so the sales decline is self-perpetuating until a refresh. However I don't agree that the S design or form-factor is obsolete. The S has more passenger space and holds more groceries than my wife's full-sized Range Rover, yet it has a beautiful sleek design, which just needs an interior, exterior and perhaps a mechanical refresh. And to the extent it differentiates it from the 3 (more real controls) all the better,
There are only so many people who want to spend $100k on a sedan.It’s only my opinion, but I think the two primary reasons for the S/X sales drops are:
1. Prices for a new S or X have risen significantly. For example, the lowest-cost S is now $85k, and much more if a few basic options are added. p.s. Opinion: Things such as paint should not cost extra on a high-end car.
2. Model 3 sales gave buyers an option within acceptable price ranges well(!) below $85k. Combine that with S/X price increases and a reduction in S/X sales seems normal.
I don’t think any of this was a mistake my Musk or Tesla. On the contrary, I think it’s their intentional strategy to sell the Model 3 which probably has higher margins. I expect we’ll see similar S/X/3 sales reductions when the Model Y becomes available.
It’s all part of the master plan. Genius.
Seems to me the quality improved drastically on interior in 2017 of model s compared to 16 and on model x... big improvement in late 2017 early 2018... it’s like a different carModel S/X need to be refreshed as soon as possible, particularly the interior and with better quality plastic, more practical storage and new dashboard but please not the same as Model 3. Need also more colors and the re-availability of the sunroof for Model S.
I have a lease ending in August for a 2016 Model S75 with sunroof and do not know what I will do. Model 3 is too small inside and no hatchback. Would love to stay with Tesla but I may change my mind.