..Mach-E is the latest in the long list of "Tesla-killers"..
I disagree, the market for EV's is not big enough to have one EV brand "kill" another EV brand. Instead, the Mach-E joins the Y in killing ICE.
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..Mach-E is the latest in the long list of "Tesla-killers"..
The biggest constraint for any manufacturer will be battery supply. Tesla definitely has an edge in terms of ensuring a high volume of battery supply. Ford probably could sell more than 60,000 globally if they could get more batteries.
For the initial launch and effort, you still have to be impressed with the range these cars are getting. Sure, they're doing it with a 100 kWh pack (88 kWh usable) but at the end of the day, the consumer doesn't care if they get 300 miles with a bigger battery.
Good thing Ford has about 12 kWh to unlock, most likely a safety net until they get a good idea on the battery degradation.Batteries degrade--it's something that nearly all Tesla owners fret about. There were ~500,000 M3s that told me the battery and drivetrain I was getting in the MY was good.
I don't know who is supplying Ford with their batteries, but I'm sure we'll be hearing about how things wind-up. LG is a big player in batteries and I think they had a rather large recall.
Good thing Ford has about 12 kWh to unlock, most likely a safety net until they get a good idea on the battery degradation.
Mach-E owners believe so.Is Ford using that 12kWh as an expendable degradation buffer?
The battery is heaviest (reduces range) and the most expensive part of an EV. Tesla probably gets the best prices for their batteries and Ford is adding ~25% extra capacity in their vehicle.
Mach-E owners believe so.
The battery weights about 13xx lbs, compared to the Y's battery 1056. This is where most of the weight difference comes from but it doesn't seem to hurt efficiency too much, at least in good temps (50+F)
Same here. I've been waiting a long time to upgrade to an EV and this year the timing was right, so I got a Model Y Standard Range in March.I would have considered the Mach-E if it was readily available 2 months ago.
Maybe the next car... or the ID4.
It's exciting that there are options available... over time the Mach-E may evolve into something I would get for my kids.
It depends where you live. CA's power is mostly solar or renewable already. During the hours I charge its entirely renewable energy.I’m VERY late to this thread, but yes I obviously agree that the MY is more efficient than the MME. The two primary reasons are that it is several hundred pounds lighter, and has less drag. Both come at a cost. The weight savings result in a noisier ride. The better aero results in a Prius-like wedge with a stubby little front hood and just generally pedestrian, unappealing design.
But it is also worth noting that “efficiency” is irrelevant from both a range and cost perspective. Because of the MME’s larger battery pack, it achieves slightly better range.
As for cost savings, my math added up to about $150-$200 in electricity savings per year. (This is obviously dependent on miles driven and prices you are paying for electric). The current price premium for a MYLR over a MME 4X STARTS at $4,500 and goes up from there depending upon paint choices. So you’d have to drive the car for over TWENTY YEARS to cover that price premium with electricity savings.
Now if higher efficiency matters to you because you think you’re “saving the planet” by buying a luxury EV (packed with lithium and powered at least partially by coal), bully for you.
Your screen name leads me to believe you own the MME? Or a Tesla? Or neither and just like discussing EV's? Wondering where you're coming from here....I’m VERY late to this thread, but yes I obviously agree that the MY is more efficient than the MME. The two primary reasons are that it is several hundred pounds lighter, and has less drag. Both come at a cost. The weight savings result in a noisier ride. The better aero results in a Prius-like wedge with a stubby little front hood and just generally pedestrian, unappealing design.
But it is also worth noting that “efficiency” is irrelevant from both a range and cost perspective. Because of the MME’s larger battery pack, it achieves slightly better range.
As for cost savings, my math added up to about $150-$200 in electricity savings per year. (This is obviously dependent on miles driven and prices you are paying for electric). The current price premium for a MYLR over a MME 4X STARTS at $4,500 and goes up from there depending upon paint choices. So you’d have to drive the car for over TWENTY YEARS to cover that price premium with electricity savings.
Now if higher efficiency matters to you because you think you’re “saving the planet” by buying a luxury EV (packed with lithium and powered at least partially by coal), bully for you.
Efficiency is also important because it will take longer to charge the battery on a road trip to go the same distance compared to a more efficient ev.
Apples to oranges. Like when they did the Pontiac GTO with the Ferrari GTO. Test the MYP against the Mustang Mach-E GT.In this 75mph range test, the RWD Mach E beat the Modey Y Performance by 9%, Even though the claimed EPA range of the Y was 8% higher!
Comparison Test: 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E vs. 2020 Tesla Model Y
Tesla's Model Y butts heads with Ford's electric crossover.www.caranddriver.com
I keep hearing this, but then I keep getting 279whr/mile on every road trip I take in my MY LR. And I've taken 6 in the last 6 months. Plus several shorter day trips of 120+ miles and many days just running around town in city conditions most all da. I consistently average very nearly to what the EPA rated whr/mile is and get pretty much exactly the quoted range. And this is not by being a slow driver. I routinely drive 5mph over the limit.OTOH, Tesla's have pretty high real world highway consumption compared to their ratings. It remains to be seen how the real-world (70+) consumption compares.
That's fair, and I get similar numbers at lower speeds off the highway. On the highway, my real world range is closer to 250, but that's 75+ mph.I keep hearing this, but then I keep getting 279whr/mile on every road trip I take in my MY LR. And I've taken 6 in the last 6 months. Plus several shorter day trips of 120+ miles and many days just running around town in city conditions most all da. I consistently average very nearly to what the EPA rated whr/mile is and get pretty much exactly the quoted range. And this is not by being a slow driver. I routinely drive 5mph over the limit.