Mustang Mach-E Gets Great Reviews = Model 3 Challenger

[Cleo-n-Company]

Uh-oh spaghetti-o.

I just read a very positive road test review of the Mach-E in Car and Driver.

Looks like the new kid in town may require Elon and company to focus on that strange concept known as build quality.

Well optioned Mach-E's will easily beat Tesla in the price game too, particularly with the $7500 advantage for a while.

 

[RichAZ/CapeCod]

This debate of "any other EV" vs Tesla will likely go on forever. Do keep in mind that Ford advertises in Car and Driver, while Tesla does no advertising at all, anywhere. Might just tend to bias what a journal might publish about Tesla vs other EVs.

Just sayin".....

Rich

 

[Cleo-n-Company]

This debate of "any other EV" vs Tesla will likely go on forever. Do keep in mind that Ford advertises in Car and Driver, while Tesla does no advertising at all, anywhere. Might just tend to bias what a journal might publish about Tesla vs other EVs.

Just sayin".....

Rich

Am happy that more competitors are finally entering the EV space.

At the end of the day - obsession over 0-to-60 times will give way to general reliability, build quality, customer service etc.

So anything that forces to Tesla to get off its proverbial butt... is a good thing.

 

[Spacep0d]

This is all well and good, but where will the Mach-E charge outside of those fortunate to have homes which can accommodate something beyond trickle-charging? Apartment-dwellers will be totally dependent on destination and DC-3 charging stations. Granted, some new-construction apartments will probably include some kind of communal L2 charging and/or charge-ready carports.

The Supercharger Network is still Tesla's killer app, among others.

 

[alexgr]

1) I wish there is a competition
2) All (almost) reviews of the Mach-E so far are for the cars provided by Ford to the reviewers, and not by the owners.
3) In Q4 2020 Ford officially delivered 3 (three) Mach-E vehicles to report in its earnings call that it started deliveries of the Mach-E.
4) In January Ford delivered 248 (or about that) Mach-Es and made a broad stop-ship call which nature is still kept secret by Ford.
5) Ford plans for 50,000 Mach-Es in 2021 and about 20,000 in the US which is about the Bolt-size sales.
6) It looks Ford spends on PR more than the entire revenue from the Mach-E in 2021, and there is no way the Mach-E sells at profit for foreseeable future, at this volume at least.

Pros:
- not a Tesla and still can drive
- may be faster than Ford focus (from which it is derived)
- ... I'm trying... has flashy PR promotions? Shrimps in its frank?
- well, according to the reviews, it might be more quiet than Model 3/Y

Cons:
- Charging on any road trip with the Mach-E is a headache (as with any non-Tesla vehicle)
- Heavy, inefficient, smaller storage space inside, drives with more drama than Tesla even though it's slower than Tesla.
- Thousands of happy dealers are ready to greet U and serve (own) you.
- Provides a range estimate based on some past driving history, which I find can be totally confusing.

 

[MrTuna]

5) Ford plans for 50,000 Mach-Es in 2021 and about 20,000 in the US which is about the Bolt-size sales.

This is kind of where the comparison stops. Even if the Mach-E was better in every way than a model Y.. Tesla will make 500k+ Model Ys this year, Ford will make 20k. I don't think you are going to be able to get one if you haven't been on a list for a long time.

 

[Cleo-n-Company]

As with every other car out there - I'd certainly want to drive one before making my mind up.

But it's heartening to see other EV's appearing like chicks coming out of their shells.

Yes - the legacy selling model isn't my favorite in the world - but a few thousand smiling Ford dealers who will be able to service the vehicle (if it needs it) is so much more comforting than what our Tesla service world has turned into.

 

[mark95476]

I'm glad to see the "competition" has finally come and is poised to totally crush Tesla.

Fortunately, Ford and the other OEMs have multiple DECADES of experience building MILLIONS of vehicles per years so they certainly won't suffer from "Tesla production hell" while they're ramping.

One thing I wonder about is what's going to happen to Ford when they exhaust that sweet $7500 Federal subsidy? We'll see if their vehicles are competitive in the market or if it's just a budget option. For some reason, the Model 3 is still Tesla's biggest seller and the GM Bolt didn't completely crush it.

This is kind of where the comparison stops. Even if the Mach-E was better in every way than a model Y.. Tesla will make 500k+ Model Ys this year, Ford will make 20k. I don't think you are going to be able to get one if you haven't been on a list for a long time.

3) In Q4 2020 Ford officially delivered 3 (three) Mach-E vehicles to report in its earnings call that it started deliveries of the Mach-E.
4) In January Ford delivered 248 (or about that) Mach-Es and made a broad stop-ship call which nature is still kept secret by Ford.
5) Ford plans for 50,000 Mach-Es in 2021 and about 20,000 in the US which is about the Bolt-size sales.
6) It looks Ford spends on PR more than the entire revenue from the Mach-E in 2021, and there is no way the Mach-E sells at profit for foreseeable future, at this volume at least.

 

[DaveG_NJ]

As a Ford stockholder (as well as Tesla), I wish them well, but I wouldn't trade my 3 for anything out there currently.

 

[SabrToothSqrl]

It's great to see more, but the war is with gas cars...

Sadly, even if the Ford was 100x better in every-way... without a super charger network, it's a non-starter.

Not buying a car that can't car.

Now if the Ford had a similar system, it would certainly be contender. (And I want (all EVs) to be)!

 

[bobby g]

Uh-oh spaghetti-o.

I just read a very positive road test review of the Mach-E in Car and Driver.

Looks like the new kid in town may require Elon and company to focus on that strange concept known as build quality.

Well optioned Mach-E's will easily beat Tesla in the price game too, particularly with the $7500 advantage for a while.

Yeah build quality. My son has an ST and the lugs swelled beyond the 19mm wrench, still in warranty. They wanted >$100 to get them off. America's tire said buy a set, we'll put them on.

A recirculation valve threw a code, $165 to confirm the code. Seems like an emission thing to me. He took it somewhere else to fix.

Anyone here not been hosed by a dealership? Ok, MB and Lexus may treat you like you paid for it. How many Ford or Chevy owners can say that.

The mustang may be a great car but you'll still be at the mercy of the dealership.

 

[Black306]

I’m a long time Ford owner (currently still have 4) and long time Mustang owner (had at least 1 Mustang for the last 26 years. I’m even a Ford stock holder.

All that said, drove one today and it did not impress me. It didn’t have the punch I’ve come to expect from an EV and the suspension feels under dampened. Turns feels stable and roll was relatively flat, which I would expect from an EV with a low center of gravity.

The sales person was trying to sell me on the performance probably cause he saw me pull up in the Tesla. IMO, a big mistake. Anyone that has driven a Tesla is going to be underwhelmed. He should have pitched its benefits over Tesla; price (still has federal/state incentives) and dealer network (post sales support).

At the end of the day, I’m glad the car exists and I also think it will sell well. It seems like a ‘transitional EV;’ very ICE-like but not with an ICE, if that makes any sense. LOL

 

[dipper]

As a Ford stockholder (as well as Tesla), I wish them well, but I wouldn't trade my 3 for anything out there currently.

Not even for a Rimac?

 

[T3SLAROD]

I’m a long time Ford owner (currently still have 4) and long time Mustang owner (had at least 1 Mustang for the last 26 years. I’m even a Ford stock holder.

All that said, drove one today and it did not impress me. It didn’t have the punch I’ve come to expect from an EV and the suspension feels under dampened. Turns feels stable and roll was relatively flat, which I would expect from an EV with a low center of gravity.

The sales person was trying to sell me on the performance probably cause he saw me pull up in the Tesla. IMO, a big mistake. Anyone that has driven a Tesla is going to be underwhelmed. He should have pitched its benefits over Tesla; price (still has federal/state incentives) and dealer network (post sales support).

At the end of the day, I’m glad the car exists and I also think it will sell well. It seems like a ‘transitional EV;’ very ICE-like but not with an ICE, if that makes any sense. LOL

Thank you for the feedback. Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of YT reviews with claims that it’s the “best EV” they have ever driven. Yet the specs don’t point to that. Is the Tesla Hate that real?

 

[Black306]

Thank you for the feedback. Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of YT reviews with claims that it’s the “best EV” they have ever driven. Yet the specs don’t point to that. Is the Tesla Hate that real?

If anyone has a Ford bias, I'd believe I would be in that camp. How someone can claim the Mach E is the best EV they have driven is beyond me. It's OK, but not OMG!

 

[Cleo-n-Company]

Thank you for the feedback. Lately I’ve been seeing a lot of YT reviews with claims that it’s the “best EV” they have ever driven. Yet the specs don’t point to that. Is the Tesla Hate that real?

Am glad to hear that a regular dude has had a chance to test-drive one of these things.

The EV mission is to get more of these cars on the road. Even if the Mach-E is a solid alternative, but not a splendid alternative to a 3 or a Y - this is a good thing.

0 to 60 in about 5 seconds is quite sufficient in my world.

I'm not saying that Ford is the paragon of reliability - but in the event something goes wrong with a Mach-E, I'm sure I won't be invited to bring in my car sometime close to the Spring Solstice - which is about the standard waiting time these days in Tesla land.

I'm also quite sure the conversation with the folks at Ford service will not include phrases such as:

"Don't know what to tell you about that panel gap and loose trim, but it's all within spec"

"That's a wear and tear issue for sure"

"We need to you approve and pay for the $290 estimate before we touch your car"

"Parts aren't available - you'll get a text when they are"

"The dead screen isn't really a safety issue"

"Half-shafts aren't really meant to last the lifetime of a car"

 

[T3SLAROD]

Am glad to hear that a regular dude has had a chance to test-drive one of these things.

The EV mission is to get more of these cars on the road. Even if the Mach-E is a solid alternative, but not a splendid alternative to a 3 or a Y - this is a good thing.

0 to 60 in about 5 seconds is quite sufficient in my world.

I'm not saying that Ford is the paragon of reliability - but in the event something goes wrong with a Mach-E, I'm sure I won't be invited to bring in my car sometime close to the Spring Solstice - which is about the standard waiting time these days in Tesla land.

I'm also quite sure the conversation with the folks at Ford service will not include phrases such as:

"Don't know what to tell you about that panel gap and loose trim, but it's all within spec"

"That's a wear and tear issue for sure"

"We need to you approve and pay for the $290 estimate before we touch your car"

"Parts aren't available - you'll get a text when they are"

"The dead screen isn't really a safety issue"

"Half-shafts aren't really meant to last the lifetime of a car"

Oh, it’s going to be a bit worse than whatever Tesla does. Having owned Ford Special vehicles I can tell you there is a lot of confusion when the car is recently out. On top of that a nice Focus rental is all they’ll give you. I don’t miss it.

I’m still interested in the Mach E though. I haven’t seen one in person so I’m wondering if it’s Model Y size or more of a sporty hatchback size.

 

[alexgr]

I'm also quite sure the conversation with the folks at Ford service will not include phrases such as:

"Don't know what to tell you about that panel gap and loose trim, but it's all within spec"
"That's a wear and tear issue for sure"
"We need to you approve and pay for the $290 estimate before we touch your car"
"Parts aren't available - you'll get a text when they are"
"The dead screen isn't really a safety issue"
"Half-shafts aren't really meant to last the lifetime of a car"

I am very much UNSURE about that. I haven't owned a Ford but it's a typical dealership service game to own the owner in as many ways as possible.

Below is a picture from the MachEForum. When your car tells you the maximum range is 120 miles Ford should expect new happy Mach-E owners visit Ford excellent dealership services, and if you still hesitate the vehicle will surely remind you about that.

 

[Kandiru]

Just wait until the tech electrocution and factory service stories start.

 

[Takumi]

I'm not saying that Ford is the paragon of reliability - but in the event something goes wrong with a Mach-E, I'm sure I won't be invited to bring in my car sometime close to the Spring Solstice - which is about the standard waiting time these days in Tesla land.

You're dreaming if you think you don't need to wait for the Mach-E specialist to get your car serviced. Hopefully, Ford mandates that dealerships train more than just 1 tech on the Mach-E. That 20k production tells me not that many techs are going to study up on it.