Dewg
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I'm pushing, I'm pushing.Spend your time pushing Tesla to do better.
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I'm pushing, I'm pushing.Spend your time pushing Tesla to do better.
Squeaky wheel and allOne thing I wonder about -- there are regional differences in road markings, road materials, etc. With so many Tesla vehicles in California, and @wk057 having routes in what I would guess is a region with far less Tesla traffic, perhaps autopilot has ended up evolving to work best for California road conditions and is having more difficulty elsewhere.
So the 10,000 earlier beta testers were not "normal"? And now 100,000 testers, what are they? FSD is far from perfect (that's why its beta), but the "doom and gloom" predictions have all turned out to be wrong. First we were told the car would not be able to see traffic signals (wrong), then it would crash within a few days of the start of beta (wrong), then it would not be able to see far enough to make safe turns (wrong), then it would run over every child it could find (wrong).I am absolutely giddy with anticipation for more normal consumers to get their hands on FSD. It's going to be complete chaos, but the reality will finally dawn on normal users. Not much you can do about True Believers, but I'm not particularly concerned with them anymore.
"True Disbelievers" hope to spread the fear of god about using it, Ultimate Fans say you can sit with no hands on the wheel and play with your phone.Sure, there are people out there who gush over FSD as if it were perfect, but for every one of those there are "True DISbelievers" who are equally irrational in their criticism. Neither contributes anything even remotely useful imho.
So the 10,000 earlier beta testers were not "normal"?
And now 100,000 testers, what are they?
but the "doom and gloom" predictions have all turned out to be wrong.
First we were told the car would not be able to see traffic signals
then it would crash within a few days of the start of beta
then it would not be able to see far enough to make safe turns
then it would run over every child it could find
One huge difference between Tesla’s cameras and human vision is humans have the ability to focus our vision and brainpower in the highest threat direction. I wonder if Tesla will begin trying to focus its processing power in different areas depending on driving conditions.That's an absolute fact. Crossing traffic moving at 50 MPH is a common thing in the US, and those cameras do not see nearly far enough. Even Chuck Cook's videos demonstrate that.
I think it's more correct to say humans can only focus in one direction. Sure, we are good ar figuring things out in that direction, but only that direction. A car wont be as good as a human in that regard, but it can look in all directions at once. Look at how many accidents are caused by missing an entire car in a blind spot.One huge difference between Tesla’s cameras and human vision is humans have the ability to focus our vision and brainpower in the highest threat direction. I wonder if Tesla will begin trying to focus its processing power in different areas depending on driving conditions.
Well, several of the "True Disbelievers" here pretty clearly want FSD to fail, presumably because that would please their egos "I was righ!!t!". Tesla, and others in here (including me) urge everyone to be realistic and use caution while driving the car, not expect miracles, and ignore Elons predications about dates. Like most things in life, the extremes are to be avoided."True Disbelievers" hope to spread the fear of god about using it, Ultimate Fans say you can sit with no hands on the wheel and play with your phone.
You decide which approach appeals to you. Hint, Tesla recommends the first one: "FSD Beta can do the wrong thing at the wrong time".
Yes, compared to an average human I would say Teslas have much better peripheral vision but worse focal vision.I think it's more correct to say humans can only focus in one direction. Sure, we are good ar figuring things out in that direction, but only that direction. A car wont be as good as a human in that regard, but it can look in all directions at once. Look at how many accidents are caused by missing an entire car in a blind spot.
Well you should probably buy a car running Dan's software then, I'm sure it will be wonderful.Like all those fan videos trying to prove dan wrong, and then their car hit the simulated child? You've used four examples that the car actually does. That's not a great position to take.
Well you should probably buy a car running Dan's software then, I'm sure it will be wonderful.
And your point? That Elon is a joke when it comes to dates? Old news, we all know that, I've said so many times. Nothing to see here.I mean, just look at the first post date of this thread, and compare it to today's date. Consider that the system still can't handle detecting high beams or rain drops properly. We aren't talking about other companies, we're talking about Tesla, and the desire for Tesla to do better.
So do Tesla.
That's why its in beta.
is that with each release it moves closer to achieving their goal.
The car is VASTLY better at driving than a year ago
But to my mind, the only point you are proving is that you seem to want FSD to fail.
I've already addressed the issue of Elons optimism. Nothing more needs to be said.Then why does the CEO continue to call it "superhuman" as recently as this week?
That's not what Beta means. Beta means major development is complete, Alpha testing has completed, and now a small base of public users is putting the product through its paces. That's not at all what FSD is doing. It's still under heavy development, making it a proof of concept rather than any kind of release quality.
It hasn't moved an inch in improving features or behavior. How is it that Tesla needed to spend three months on a single user's turn experience when he's been pressing the feedback button for two years straight? And when the declare mission accomplished, it still fails frequently. That's not closer to achieving a goal, that's sporadic changes at best.
+1I've already addressed the issue of Elons optimism. Nothing more needs to be said.
Sure, 30+ years ago that's what it meant, but its meaning has drifted significantly over the years. Gmail was beta for many years, Apple have iOS and macOS betas that are FAR from feature complete and are available to a wide audience. And anyway, so what? You're just quibbling over a name (seriously?). The reality, of course, is that in the non-deterministic world of NNs, sustained and widespread training and testing with real world data is the only way to build a product, which makes the whole concept of beta somewhat outdated.
Nonsense. it's improved vastly in the last 15+ months I've been testing it, and pretty much everyone else who has been doing so for long enough has said the same. The overall driving experience is smoother, with the car able to negotiate situations it would simply have failed at utterly in (say) 10.2 or 10.3. You are free to deny this, of course, but you should remember that denial is not the same as considered criticism.
Anyway, as I for one remember Churchill's definition of a fanatic, I think I've said all that needs to be said on this subject.
Gmail
Apple have iOS and macOS betas that are FAR from feature complete and are available to a wide audience
And anyway, so what?
You're just quibbling over a name (seriously?)
it's improved vastly in the last 15+ months
and pretty much everyone else who has been doing so for long enough has said the same.
The overall driving experience is smoother,
with the car able to negotiate situations it would simply have failed at utterly in (say) 10.2 or 10.3.
True...true.The difference is these cars are supposed to behave the same across the fleet since they are running the same software. Unclean restrooms at McDonalds is understandable though. lol