What firmware version do you have? (I think you have to have a "current" version of V9.)
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New supercharger pricing
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What firmware version do you have? (I think you have to have a "current" version of V9.)
sammyfan711
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I think if you have free supercharging it does not show prices.
You would have to check a “pay per use” model 3 to get rates
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
dhanson865
Well-Known Member
yup, that's why I charge at home for about $0.10 per kWh. I don't want to pay any 3rd party an up charge for the electricity I can get from my local utility.
and yes for anyone that wants to remind me about demand charges and overhead, I do understand. It's rolled into why I charge at home to avoid those costs.
I am not seeing prices either. I am on 2018.50. I am still coded as free unlimited supercharging in MyTesla from the So Cal fires, though. I wonder if that is why?
If superchargers are around $.34/kWh around me tho, that does make an efficient gas car (> 35mpg hwy) cheaper for a road trip. Especially with gas only $3/gallon around here. I don’t chose which car to take on a road trip based on fuel costs, but I do get asked that question a lot from folks curious about EVs. Guess my answer will now be “it costs the same as gas for road trips”.
swaltner
Active Member
It seems like ABRP, EVTripPlanner, or maybe someone new should create a route optimizer based, at least partially, on cost. For flight planning, there’s a web site called airnav.com. For a long flight with fuel stops, you put in your start/stop point, how far you can fly between fuel stops, and your runway requirements (length, lights, paved/grass, fuel type, etc) and it calculates out the best places to stop based on current fuel prices. Not as many routing choices while driving, but it’s easy to go 50-100 miles out of your way mid-flight on a long cross country and only add a few minutes to the total flight time.
Simple rule of thumb to accomplish this would be to plan to do meal stops at the sites along your route that have the lowest rates and then skip the next more expensive charger. You would also want to charge minimally at the most expensive site(s) along your route. I did the second item on my latest road trip.
Simple rule of thumb to accomplish this would be to plan to do meal stops at the sites along your route that have the lowest rates and then skip the next more expensive charger. You would also want to charge minimally at the most expensive site(s) along your route. I did the second item on my latest road trip.
I really hope they release a CCS adapter. EV America’s 150/350kw CCS stations would make a good option and provide some pricing competition. I work for a large consumer of electricity in CT and know that we pay under $0.06/kWh all-in. Even with demand charges, Tesla isn’t paying more than $0.10/kWh around here, so the prices they’re charging here are definetly making them a tidy profit.
You haven’t considered the infrastructure cost of the supercharger stations.
I don't mind the price increase providing there are enough SCs.
Driving to the Canadian Maritimes over Christmas was challenging...
Driving to the Canadian Maritimes over Christmas was challenging...
My understanding is that they generally don’t pay rent on the property because they’re adding an amenity that attracts rich people to shopping areas. They do have build and maintenance costs, but I still think they’re making a good profit at the rates they’re charging.
In any case, I want other fast charging options. Hopefully once they release the CCS adapter in the EU someone will figure out how to convert it from type2 to type1 so we can use it here.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Econ 101... you need to add the $1M infrastructure cost, land lease and demand charges.
They don’t pay lease/rent for the supercharger locations, in general. CapEx has decades to be paid off, and I mostly ignore one-time costs (even $1mm). They have some opex maintenance costs, but I rarely see broken superchargers, so they’re probably not terrible. I maintain that supercharging is now being used to help cash flow issues. It’s there right to do so, but I want a fast charging alternative so I’m not beholden to them.
A 20% overall jump in pricing is a pretty big jump. Even after had pricing increase last year. Energy pricing certainly hasn’t risen that fast. If anything it’s fallen.
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