lol, of course that's not true. @P85DEE when you start thinking that it's everyone else who is crazy and you're the only sane one it's time to reasses.
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Newer P90DL makes 662 hp at the battery!!!
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I agree being pissed over the greater power of the latest p90dls isn't reasonable. But I can see where someone might be concerned about the capabilities of the original p90dls.
I know the small number of samples that are available from a very noisy data set do little to answer the question.
If you look at TRC's recent time slips, his times range over 0.1s (10.8 to 10.9). This is for the exact same car and driver at the same track under the same conditions. I assume he knows to stage as shallow as possible. His better elapsed times come at later times in the day. Is he charging between runs? We don't know. So I agree we can't use the data we have to answer the question. But it's looking tough.
The relationship between elapsed time and power is similar to the one for weight.
et2 = et1 * cube root of (power1 / power2). Using TRC's data and an early P90DL power of 456KW:
10.8 sec times the cube root of (500Kw / 456Kw) equals 11.14 sec. As for weight this number isn't exact. The power of the new cars varies around 500Kw and the older ones vary around 456. So I wouldn't say that this makes it impossible, but it's by no means certain. This is with a light car and driver, too.
And here's why I'm only beginning to see their point. I'm still not certain about using the relative max powers here. I'd like to see more detail about the voltage and current during acceleration. I don't see the advantage to tesla in saying that the p85dl conversions would under perform the original p90dls if in fact they were identical.
I'm sure this has already been argued endlessly, so let me have it.
So again, I agree we can't be certain one way or the other, but I don't begrudge them their doubts. And, of course, you shouldn't let anything I've said prevent the good fight.
yea, don't complain about others commenting who don't have the car when you don't either....
Several good points in your post aside from the ones in bold, but those are the ones which stood out most to this reader of your correspondence.
It is because of the very last bold point above, my bolds, not yours, btw, that I'm not ready by extension, to call Elon Musk and the hardworking people at Tesla liars, by pointing to the fact that no private owner, out of a very small sample of owners attempting, recorded a 10.9 quarter mile time at the original power level.
I'm not complaining so much about them "commenting". If they were just "commenting" and ended there, then that's one thing.
But to attempt to promote the idea that Elon Musk was lying when he said 10.9 in the quarter, goes well beyond "commenting".
11.1516 in the quarter. St. Charles ran it before there was any mention in here of any increase in power.
Furthermore, that record beat the prior record by a mere .07 seconds. .068 seconds actually.
So there is no reason to believe that he was running with any more of a power advantage at that time than would anyone else with a P90D would have been.
It was also run during a time when your 11.244 stood, and between that time period and the time that NSX 1992 ran 11.224 in a P90DL.
So there is no proof that he wasn't sporting any significant advantage over a V2 car.
Take 0.1517 seconds off that and it ends up being 10.9999.
I believe that this is from your site.
2016 Tesla Model S P90DL V2
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St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
Me? I guess we are throwing out the idea that a SW upgrade had anything to do with it then?
Help me out here...other than you, who used the words "liar" and "serial liar" w/r/t Elon?
I'm completely dismissing the idea that you had any power advantage at the time that you ran 11.1516, over any other P90DL owner at that time.
The biggest reason why I say this, is because a guy, who just asked me to leave because he doesn't like the fact that I'm so effective at using his own results at attacking his position, ran 11.224 in not a P90DL, but a P85DL.
In other words, he produced a time which was just 0.07 seconds slower than your own and he did it in a car which was said to not be the equivalent of a P90DL.
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I find the ignore button quite useful, I just wish it removed his posts completely then the thread would be at least 20+ pages shorter
Prove it was making more power than any other V1 P90D at the time that he ran that, and you might have something.
Indeed, comparing his 11.1516 with the best V1 times which follow that, as well as comparing it to a P85DL which was just .07 seconds off his, gives no indication whatsoever that he was making any more power at the time that he ran that, than any other P90DL at the time.
His trap speed certainly does not indicate that he was making any more power than any other P90DL at the time.
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St Charles
Tesla, not TSLA!
I did not datalog so I do not know what power level I actually had. I will say that the only logs I have show a max of just under 500kW. It is entirely possible I have had 500kW available to me from day 1. All I have are timeslips from different tracks separated by over a months time.
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