Err .. in that case it's not an edge case?All the edge cases that happens with driving. Happens very very very often.
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Err .. in that case it's not an edge case?All the edge cases that happens with driving. Happens very very very often.
Err .. in that case it's not an edge case?
One item I find interesting is that FSD beta drivers in the San Francisco area seem to have far few disengagements then drivers in other parts of the country.
Except it is not the case: being available in the US (which it is far from being...), doesn't make it available in other geos for obvious different rules, regulatory and cultural reasons. But, hey, your angry bad boy self-centered style is still funny.Why do I care about what is available in another country. As long as it is available everywhere in the us it is available everywhere from my perspective. You knew this but decided to mouth irrelevant excrement anyway.
It was addressed on AI day.. they made it very clear that once FSD is solved in the US it would be easily transferable to any other country.Except it is not the case: being available in the US (which it is far from being...), doesn't make it available in other geos for obvious different rules, regulatory and cultural reasons. But, hey, your angry bad boy self-centered style is still funny.
being available in the US doesn't make it available in other geos for obvious different rules,
I think people underestimate the value in this application. Its similar to NoA. For me, it makes a long trip so much less tiring and then I can focus on watching for animals, pot holes, etc. If it is as reliable as NoA, city streets would be huge for the elderly.I wonder how many folks with elderly parents or simply elderly themselves will find FSD V10+ worthwhile even if it's not level 5 to help them get to doctor appointments or just in general allow them to continue driving longer? Especially in suburbia. I for one remember when I had to literally take the keys from my elderly mom (88) and as you can imagine she wasn't too happy at the time. In hindsight a good solid FSD version would have let her keep the keys a bit longer. Stuck in the house is not a good thing for someone who is used to getting up and about.
Unless the L2 or L3 FSD can fail with plenty of warnings and automatically place the car away from harm, it may become dangerous asking people who have already struggle with driving to monitor and react rapidly to a L2/L3 driving assistance system. I would think you want a L4+ system for those situation, so you don't need to worry about any scenarios where quick reactions will be needed by the driver.I wonder how many folks with elderly parents or simply elderly themselves will find FSD V10+ worthwhile even if it's not level 5 to help them get to doctor appointments or just in general allow them to continue driving longer? Especially in suburbia. I for one remember when I had to literally take the keys from my elderly mom (88) and as you can imagine she wasn't too happy at the time. In hindsight a good solid FSD version would have let her keep the keys a bit longer. Stuck in the house is not a good thing for someone who is used to getting up and about.
They don’t have a data advantage, it’s a debunked myth.
They collect 0.01% of data from their fleet. Everything else is thrown away because there’s too much of it. Even there are TOO MUCH of what they want.
1) First of all Tesla’s FSD is not very solid. The safety disengagement per mile isn’t good.
2) SDC experts don’t claim that safe camera only FSD is impossible, they have always said it would take over a decade and they have been 100% right. Tesla fans want to pat yourself in the back over something no sdc expert ever said. While what they HAVE said has been 100% right.
3) There were several camera only FSD systems before Tesla. Are you giving credit to those companies?
Elon Musk specifically mentioned during AI Day Q&A in response to a question to "improve one component along the AI stack… biggest impact for FSD performance:"The cool thing about Tesla's data advantage is that it doesn't disappear when they retrain their NNs. Their data pipeline has undergone massive improvements over the last 4 years. Every time they modify the architecture, they "retrain" using that same data they've collected, plus whatever new data they have (and potentially minus some data, if they want).
Elon Musk specifically mentioned during AI Day Q&A in response to a question to "improve one component along the AI stack… biggest impact for FSD performance:"
"In the short term, we need all of the nets to be surround video. We still have some legacy…"
This most likely involves collecting new data and getting it labeled (automatically) as the existing networks were trained on 2d single camera images. Tesla is able to move fast and make these constant iterations /because/ they have the fleet data collection capability. In some sense, they're able to throw out the old approach and not be slowed down by sunk costs of the existing implementation and trying to squeeze out value of previously collected data that might be lacking video from other cameras necessary for surround video training.
I think he was responding to someone who asked. Not you.I'm just getting a little tired of the silly timelines. Just don't announce when it's coming, and release the button when it's ready. Why waste people's time and energy?
First of all Tesla’s FSD is not very solid. The safety disengagement per mile isn’t good.
I think he was pretty clear. “Solid” as measured by number of disengagement’s per mile.Solid compared to Waymo's operation in Arizona? Depends on the scnario from what I can tell. They're different products and hard to compare. Solid compared to MobileEye's handpicked, vision-only, promotional material? Yeah, Tesla's FSD needs some work.
But solid compared to what people thought was possible years ago? Solid compared to those who still claim FSD is vaporware and doesn't exist, or barely functions and will ultimately fail? Yes, compared to that I think it's pretty solid.
I remind you that the introduction to FSD was a Tesla promo video in 2016, showing the car pulling into a parking lot, reading a no parking sign, and picking a new spot, and parking with nobody in the car? You know, the video that is still on the Tesla site on the AP page?But solid compared to what people thought was possible years ago? Solid compared to those who still claim FSD is vaporware and doesn't exist, or barely functions and will ultimately fail? Yes, compared to that I think it's pretty solid.
I remind you that the introduction to FSD was a Tesla promo video in 2016, showing the car pulling into a parking lot, reading a no parking sign, and picking a new spot, and parking with nobody in the car? You know, the video that is still on the Tesla site on the AP page?
Or Elon saying they would do a cross country drive with no disengagements by the end of 2017.
It's not very solid compared to what Tesla thought (and advertised) was possible in 2016. What was sold was door to door, no disengagements, no action needed from the driver, and yes, that doesn't exist today even with "FSD" beta, which is actually city streets autosteer.
As someone that has been around for a while, I hope your experience is different. However, just remember that Tesla has been making self driving promo videos since 2016, and many people bought back then because it seemed like it was actually possible in 2017 too. 4 years later just because you see a Youtuber make one today doesn't mean they are all that close to allowing the car in your driveway to actually run this code, despite Elon saying it's "soon." Using any kind of history from Telsa, the only way to accurately know when something will ship is when it's actually on your car. Everything before that is hype.I'm not sure what I can say to bridge those two experiences, other than to simply point out that they are different.
And we only get to see the videos the testers chooses to publish. How many failures on video is discarded and never shown?I don't think that's true. Whole Mars "games" fsd beta (uses accelerator a lot) and also lets it do sorta risky maneuvers. And he's mostly the one posting all the SF videos. There's a recent SF video from AI Addict that is pretty bad.
And we only get to see the videos the testers chooses to publish. How many failures on video is discarded and published 7