Check with Tesla but is seems they do not refund any money after the order is placed.
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Check with Tesla but is seems they do not refund any money after the order is placed.
The greenon is for programs already cancelled. The EV rebates if cancelled have not been announced. Maybe they will set a sunset date. Maybe immediate or could be retroactive.
mknox
Well-Known Member
If the order is placed and your car is locked in before the EHVIP Program is officially cancelled, you should be grandfathered in. This is what was claimed during the campaign. If you haven't locked in and your deposit is still refundable when the EHVIP Programs ends, you're outta luck.
mknox
Well-Known Member
There were a couple of folks in an EV club I belong to that reached out and got this answer. It was posted in the form of back-and-forth text conversation with someone in the campaign. Of course anything can happen, but I doubt they would cancel a program retroactively.
Not a change of government, but the same sort of thing happened when I bought my X earlier this year: I ordered January 31st, confirmed (locked in) in February, then in early March the gov't cut the rebate on S and X models to zero. By proving I was locked in before the change, they honored my rebate application when I submitted it in early April. My $14,000 cheque arrived in the mail just this past Wednesday.
Struja
“Frost”
I think this largely depends on the person. I was looking to upgrade (in size) from the Lexus IS350. I looked at about 10 different cars. Fell in the love with the Model S. Had to have it, but at the time, the rebate went from $8,500 to $3,000, so I didn't buy.
I continued to test drive and I was about the pull the trigger on the Giulia or the Jag XF. Both were much more affordable than the Tesla and without the rebate, I would have not bought the Model S. Maybe, I am the minority, maybe I'm not but the rebate had everything to do with me driving electric, not ICE, so it goes back to the original proposition...
If the intent of the program is to reduce auto emissions, individual wealth should not even enter the conversation.
As an aside... everyone here knows their relative wealth or lack thereof, but I've always found it interesting that others seem to know who is wealthy and who is not. My uncle is worth about $20 million dollars he is 75 years old and drives a 14 year old Buick LeSabre. He thinks he can get at least 6 more years out of it. He paid about 30k for it in 2004. He dresses very ordinary. Most people wout think he is lower middle class and probably think I am wealthy (because of the Tesla). Nothing could be further from the truth.
I would hope the EHVIP program will have some sort of sunset clause though it may be very brief. This is purely speculation on my part and regardless, is likely driven more by legalities than any act of kindness. Given Ford's past comments and recent actions with GreenON, the logical conclusion is that he'll end EHVIP and very soon. The background to the program is larger than this one province however. While I disagree with ending the program, I'll adapt. The marketplace will adapt. EV's are coming regardless. Same for solar. If we want to get there quick, incentives are needed. A plan is needed. Does Ford have one?
Carbon Pricing / Doug Ford / Globe and Mail OP by members of Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission.
Last 2 paragraphs:
Ending cap-and-trade is a legitimate policy choice for a new government in Ontario. But without an alternative plan, that choice is likely to mean greater economic costs and shirking of climate commitments.
So, to Mr. Ford – and indeed, to other carbon pricing critics in Canada: It’s no longer sufficient to criticize the status quo. It’s time to propose a credible path forward. If not carbon pricing, then what?
Carbon Pricing / Doug Ford / Globe and Mail OP by members of Canada’s Ecofiscal Commission.
Last 2 paragraphs:
Ending cap-and-trade is a legitimate policy choice for a new government in Ontario. But without an alternative plan, that choice is likely to mean greater economic costs and shirking of climate commitments.
So, to Mr. Ford – and indeed, to other carbon pricing critics in Canada: It’s no longer sufficient to criticize the status quo. It’s time to propose a credible path forward. If not carbon pricing, then what?
Shawn Snider
Member
It's going to be like this across ALL Provinces, the days of getting a Rebate on a CDN Tesla are over.
Apparently Tesla's are Snob-Cars to the BC-NDP. They favor Toyota/GM/Ford/etc Electrics, you know the useless 80km range POS's.
*cough*25% Tax*cough*
Apparently Tesla's are Snob-Cars to the BC-NDP. They favor Toyota/GM/Ford/etc Electrics, you know the useless 80km range POS's.
*cough*25% Tax*cough*
Lol. Take a seat. Your gonna be here a while.
mknox
Well-Known Member
I received the rebate cheque for my Model X on Wednesday. It took 79 days.
There might be more of a backlog now with the influx of so many Model 3 cars.
Thanks edyee, that's helpful!
I managed to get ahold of my delivery specialist today and found out the car is still in the US and will be ready in early Jul... so I won't be hitting the 29th deadline, but I guess we'll all get to see how long it takes before he cancels the EVIP.
Following the GreenOn wind down (not saying this happens), but I would assume there will be a date - end of July /August deadline for application submission.
But 14k is a big number - I would bet he would want to end it sooner than the GreenOn Program. I would bet the end of July to be the deadline and that all applications will be rejected after this date, and all applications submitted to that point will be processed (hopefully).
We have to remember that money generated from Cap and Trade HAS to be spent on programs - its written into the legislation. Therefore Doug Ford cannot just take the money from these programs and move them to another initiative and pocket the cash. Yes he can tear apart the Green Care Act and the legislation but that won't be done so easily, as others have mentioned.
The one thing that I'm concerned about - for residents of Ontario, will Doug revoke HOV access for Green Plated vehicles? I've just recently learned access is granted on a yearly basis.
But 14k is a big number - I would bet he would want to end it sooner than the GreenOn Program. I would bet the end of July to be the deadline and that all applications will be rejected after this date, and all applications submitted to that point will be processed (hopefully).
We have to remember that money generated from Cap and Trade HAS to be spent on programs - its written into the legislation. Therefore Doug Ford cannot just take the money from these programs and move them to another initiative and pocket the cash. Yes he can tear apart the Green Care Act and the legislation but that won't be done so easily, as others have mentioned.
The one thing that I'm concerned about - for residents of Ontario, will Doug revoke HOV access for Green Plated vehicles? I've just recently learned access is granted on a yearly basis.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to finally having green plate access, so we'll see.
I agree, end of Jul is likely. I also heard it'll definitely take a couple of months before they can officially destroy cap & trade... so at least there will be funding for a short while.
So a manager called me about a question I had and I took the opportunity to ask about the current status of forms. There was a several week delay a couple months back because their system had to be updated for the post March rules. They are currently on mid April forms now. There was an obvious explosion of submissions since the Model 3 came out. Expect at least 3-4 months to process your rebate.
tombar
Member
Does Doug Ford seem the type to listen to advice and “change his mind/campaign promise ? “.
mknox
Well-Known Member
My gut says "no". I think he really wants to deliver on the specific campaign promises he made and show that he lives up to his word. Unfortunately, that could mean a world of hurt. I don't know how he can even fire the Hydro One Board and CEO (another big promise) when the province is only a 40% shareholder in the corporation.
If it was easy to oust the senior executive team - he would have been doing this as one of his first acts. At the end of the day - he has every right as a majority stake holder to try to get rid of the board of directors and there are provisions set up to set those motions in play, however he has to also prove the Board and the Leadership team have acted in gross negligence - not an easy task when since H1 became private have shown significant improvements in areas like billing.
Unfortunately whatever he is choosing to do will cost all taxpayers money. Even if he manages to get his "6 million dollar man" out, Mayo walks away with 10 million. Even leaving Cap and Trade will cost money dealing with lawsuits (Federal / State / Provincial) and likely payback in credits to all companies who already purchased credits to the tune of 2.9 Billion, how is Doug dealing with all this? Instead of the macho, standing up for the People of Ontario - set a proper plan in motion, exit Cap and Trade in a timely manner (I believe is in 2020) with a new plan in place. This is why I can't stand politics - hardly any common sense presented by any of the parties.
Unfortunately whatever he is choosing to do will cost all taxpayers money. Even if he manages to get his "6 million dollar man" out, Mayo walks away with 10 million. Even leaving Cap and Trade will cost money dealing with lawsuits (Federal / State / Provincial) and likely payback in credits to all companies who already purchased credits to the tune of 2.9 Billion, how is Doug dealing with all this? Instead of the macho, standing up for the People of Ontario - set a proper plan in motion, exit Cap and Trade in a timely manner (I believe is in 2020) with a new plan in place. This is why I can't stand politics - hardly any common sense presented by any of the parties.
He can't, but he can pressure other board members into doing it if they have stakes in any other companies that the Ontario government can put the squeeze on.
Also, apparently it's been a campaign promise of the PCs to get rid of the rebates since the last election. They're not necessarily his personal beliefs, but I'm still betting they are.
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