Ontario EV Rebates Cancelled July 11, 2018

[phigment]

When I called Tesla yesterday they told me I could use the deposit for another purchase but didn't specify it had to be a different model car (I asked). That being said *if* we get the rebate for our RWD cars the difference in price is over $20K compared to even the base model AWD car. Unless it shows up on the MTO website I'm not holding my breath. If it does show up I may try to gamble provided the MSRP is under 75K.

Does anyone have any more info on when Doug Ford will make an announcement regarding the cancellation of EVIP?

No info.. maybe after his buddies and family find out their delivery dates.

 

[Bluewish]

When I called Tesla yesterday they told me I could use the deposit for another purchase but didn't specify it had to be a different model car (I asked). That being said *if* we get the rebate for our RWD cars the difference in price is over $20K compared to even the base model AWD car. Unless it shows up on the MTO website I'm not holding my breath. If it does show up I may try to gamble provided the MSRP is under 75K.

Does anyone have any more info on when Doug Ford will make an announcement regarding the cancellation of EVIP?

I think you may misunderstand about the "use the deposit for another purchase". If you deposit $1K and haven't configured your model 3 yet, you may able to transfer your deposit by request refund and put down a new deposit (for model S or X). No transfer directly.

If you configure your car and submit your order, there is no money back.

When I ordered my 1st Tesla, I requested cancellation with 3 days (free of penalty) but my specialist and her manager were not able to transfer my deposit to another order. Thus, I cancelled my order online (get refund within couple of days) and then submitted another order with new deposit.

If you are in dell, you're better get confirmation in writing. Don't take anybody words over the phone as a guarantee.

 

[Chris Fox]

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Totally backwards, and unbelievable we would elect someone that we knew would do this.
He will opt for another version of carbon tax, but in the end it would likely be a wash anyway, and could put us at risk of billions in lawsuits. (Not my opinion, this from a CBC broadcast. ).
All a political show at everyone’s expense.
Hope this is another gas plant debacle.

But you’ll save $0.10 per litre in gas!!!!

 

[Chris Fox]

Not sure if anyone realizes that 40% one of the highest percentages of the popular vote won in recent history.

I proudly voted PC. However Ford was my 3rd choice for leader. If Elliot or Mulroney got elected leader you would see an even bigger PC majority.

I care about the environment, but not exclusively.

So after Fords term is up and the province is far deeper in debt and environment is toxic, we’ll welcome you to the fiscally responsible left wing

 

[McFlurri]

So after Fords term is up and the province is far deeper in debt and environment is toxic, we’ll welcome you to the fiscally responsible left wing

Lol. "Fiscally responsible left wing". Love it!

 

[Chris Fox]

Actually, cutting corporate taxes does create jobs. Absolutely. You do know that adding jobs requires reinvestment of profits? Any profits siphoned off as taxes aren't reinvested. Plus, we compete with the US for investment. If our taxes are too high, it's very easy for the next auto parts plant to be installed in Detroit instead of Windsor.

I've always found it bizarre that people consider corporate profits to be evil somehow. And at they same time the want good jobs, investment in new, better, safer equipment, and better pay and benefits. You know that these things can only happen in a profitable company? I do agree that some CEO salaries have gotten out of control. But, the reality is that those dollars are a tiny percentage of the profits. And why do people think it's not okay to pay a top end CEO of a company with 250,000 employees millions/year? But somehow they don't blink at paying a basketball, hockey or football star, a musician, actor, or the latest pop culture floozy even more?

It's a strange world.

Our unemployment rate has never been lower. During recessions, you cut taxes. In good times, you’re suppose to raise them

 

[sitter_k]

Our unemployment rate has never been lower. During recessions, you cut taxes. In good times, you’re suppose to raise them

Government jobs have never been more plentiful, the deficit has never been higher, that's one way to juice the numbers. Contrary to popular belief a government paid job isn't as beneficial to the economy as non government.

 

[Chris Fox]

Waterloo doesn’t seem to have any. With the Nissan Leaf sold out, I looked into the Chevy Bolt, which has 383km range. This is cost difference between Chevy Bolt and Tesla with 500km range + 7K interior upgrade package, both of which are mandatory to order now.

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(All prices include 13% tax.)

Bolt = $38,759 after rebate.
Total of 84 Monthly Payments = $54,516
Total Interest paid = $6,756.
Total cost = $45,515.

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Tesla Model 3 = $58,433 after rebate.
Total of 84 Monthly Payments = $69,132.00
Total Interest Paid = $8,732.00
Total cost = $67,165.

Difference = $21650

Wife wants the Tesla. Hard for me to justify. Will require further thinking, as I’m not entirely confident in Chevrolet.

Get the Tesla and make your wife happy. Happy wife = happy life

 

[Chris Fox]

I just checked and it’s still there. This happened to me one before and I had to click the price and then click “Ontario” from provinces for it to take effect.

But, I just bought another EV last night as I’m no longer willing to buy without the rebate.

Why you hung up on that? It’s not like Tesla has to honor the rebate if ford takes it away. You can’t ssy to Tesla “well look here $14k rebate it says”!! Tesla won’t give it to you

 

[mknox]

Just ordered my AWD Model 3 today, delivery estimate 3-5 months. The chance that the incentive survives that long seems pretty slim, but I hope the new government will also honor the locked-in orders similarly to yours. Although I do not really expect them to do so, but still hope nonetheless.

Just putting a reservation deposit down will not work. You must have received your invitation to configure from Tesla, configured your car and received your dated confirmation back from Tesla. That is what (one hopes) would grandfather you in if the program gets cancelled. If you just put a deposit down and the EHVIP program ends, you could still get out of it by asking Tesla for a refund.

Don’t want to burst your bubble but in order for you to be eligible for the rebate, the AWD trim must be on this list

Good point.

 

[mknox]

Or how about a $45,600 car before rebate?

What rebate? This whole conversation is about the end of the rebate program.

 

[Chris Fox]

Need some advice.

Apparently my reservation from two months popped, and I can now configure the car (that was quick).

It says 3-5 months for delivery.

My issue is that I cannot/will not buy the car without the rebate. As of right now, it's showing the rebate, and everything is fine.

My question is - if I purchase the car, as is right now with the rebate, is there any way of me being screwed out of it? I'm assuming the rebate is based on the pickup date, but what happens if I receive the car in November, but rebate was cutoff in October.

I don't have an out, I would lose the deposit. Anyone have any advice?

Yes, Doug could cancel the rebate and not honor existing agreements

 

[Choronsodom]

Its not like that.

The MSRP is based off of the vehicles base price without options (like EAP and FSD and Premium Upgrades package)

What does matter is the trim level (RWD plus long range battery... or AWD plus long range battery). So long as it does not exceed $75,000 before options your good.

With this said, you wont be able to get the rebate on any AWD Model 3's until the EVIP list of approved vehicles is updated (which at this moment seems unlikely).

Right now, your best option is to buy the first production model 3 as its the only approved Tesla vehicle eligible for the rebate (plus if you order now, you still get the free lifetime internet package thingy).

OK thanks for clarifying. So most likely the base model AWD would qualify (if it shows up on MTO.gov).

 

[sitter_k]

Yes, Doug could cancel the rebate and not honor existing agreements

Not law or anything but the Ford campaign stated that they would grandfather existing orders, GreenON has since been cancelled, yet in similars fashion orders (without submitted applications) have been grandfathered, those 2 facts are leading people to believe model 3 orders will be grandfathered. Is evip guaranteed? No, but it's very possible that it will be grandfathered, maybe even likely.

 

[Ludatik]

Just a friendly reminder amongst all this EVHIP talk. The EVCIP (rebates for wall chargers and installation costs) will likely also end shortly.

Electric vehicle charging incentive program

 

[ZsoZso]

Just putting a reservation deposit down will not work. You must have received your invitation to configure from Tesla, configured your car and received your dated confirmation back from Tesla. That is what (one hopes) would grandfather you in if the program gets cancelled. If you just put a deposit down and the EHVIP program ends, you could still get out of it by asking Tesla for a refund.

I got my reservation first day morning 2016.March.31, got my invitation to configure in April this year, but waited for the AWD availability which I got notified about yesterday, so I completed my configuration and order now paying the extra $3200. However, as other's mentioned the AWD is not on the list so my chances of getting anything are rather slim. But that's OK, I still rather get an AWD, I made that decision in April not ordering the RWD knowing the risk of losing the incentive.

 

[Choronsodom]

My thoughts

Same boat as you I really wanted AWD and very worried my rwd is now 3-5 months away. If my rwd rebate doesn't make it I might switch to AWD as it'll only be $5300 more at that point.

If there's no incentive I'll probably do the same. I wouldn't bother with the top AWD model as price wise it's too close to the S.

 

[Choronsodom]

If you configure your car and submit your order, there is no money back.

If you are in dell, you're better get confirmation in writing. Don't take anybody words over the phone as a guarantee.

Right, no money back but you can use it as credit towards another Tesla purchase. At least that's what the Tesla rep told me. I should get something in writing though, good idea.

 

[Choronsodom]

Just a friendly reminder amongst all this EVHIP talk. The EVCIP (rebates for wall chargers and installation costs) will likely also end shortly.

Electric vehicle charging incentive program

I just read the requirements.

"Individuals and organizations who have purchased either a new or used EV and registered and plated that vehicle in Ontario can apply for the charging station rebate".

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[dwharrison]

Not law or anything but the Ford campaign stated that they would grandfather existing orders, GreenON has since been cancelled, yet in similars fashion orders (without submitted applications) have been grandfathered, those 2 facts are leading people to believe model 3 orders will be grandfathered. Is evip guaranteed? No, but it's very possible that it will be grandfathered, maybe even likely.

There are plenty of people with committed home renovation work orders but installation dates more than a few months out who have found out GreenON no longer covers their work. Yes, orders were grandfathered but only out to a hard deadline.

This is what worries me about the 3-5 delivery time for the new order invitations (which I received last night). There's absolutely no guarantee that the rebate will be available for these orders, and a fairly good chance they won't.

Personally, I'm now waiting for an SR car next year. I don't drive long distances enough to justify the extra cost of an LR with no rebate.