DillyBop
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Tesla 'Performance Mode' Easter Egg Lets You Toggle Between Vehicles
As mentioned earlier, the P90D will let you go back to P90D. But the P85D won't let you go back to P85D.
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Tesla 'Performance Mode' Easter Egg Lets You Toggle Between Vehicles
As mentioned earlier, the P90D will let you go back to P90D. But the P85D won't let you go back to P85D.
And I won't debate the ethics of it either.
How about "this is a good deal for a performance upgrade, unless you want to jeopardize existing power train warranty coverage."
That should cover it.
You mention 90's era vehicles and EPROMs. This is 2016 and what you're describing today, going outside of a stock calibration, can be detected by many manufacturers, even if the car is flashed back to stock before bringing it back in following a mishap.
The bottom line here, is that anyone these days modifying a stock vehicle for performance, especially to the degree of improving 0-60 times by this level, is running a significant risk of having a power train warranty claim denied, and furthermore, now more than ever before, is at greater risk of having either the modification or evidence of it detected.
This isn't the 90's. And to be fair, the cars you're referring to are long since out of warranty.
But if we're talking today's vehicles, desiel or gasoline, (and presumably we are, and if we're not, then why stop at 90's era vehicles, why not bring up 60's era muscle cars too?) you mod them for power, you significantly risk having a power train warranty claim denied.
You are of course free to argue this if you wish. However it is my hope that anyone out there with a late model performance car, or truck, regardless of make or model, Duramax, Vette, Viper, Mustang, Hellcat, I don't care whether it's a renown tuner like Katech, Lingenfelter, you name it, (my background is in GM vehicles primarily) intending to modify it for performance, especially if it involves an alteration or alterations in the stock calibration, i.e. a tune, goes in knowing that doing so jeopardizes the factory power train warranty.
People have gone so far as swapping out entire ECMs to avoid detection and still been detected.
Now the Tuner may offer a limited warranty on his work. But good luck if you get caught in the middle between him and the manufacturer, one blaming the other for the mishap, should you have to make a claim.
The above said, on the chance that I have overlooked something here, perhaps you can point to the current vehicle which can have it's 0-60 performance improved from 3.1 seconds down to 2.9 seconds without risking significant portions of any existing warranty coverage.
That's because in addition to what one would "pay" in terms of the modifications necessary to obtain such an improvement, one would also "pay", the loss of a powertrain warranty.
And I won't debate the ethics of it either.
How about "this is a good deal for a performance upgrade, unless you want to jeopardize existing power train warranty coverage."
That should cover it.
You mention 90's era vehicles and EPROMs. This is 2016 and what you're describing today, going outside of a stock calibration, can be detected by many manufacturers, even if the car is flashed back to stock before bringing it back in following a mishap.
The bottom line here, is that anyone these days modifying a stock vehicle for performance, especially to the degree of improving 0-60 times by this level, is running a significant risk of having a power train warranty claim denied, and furthermore, now more than ever before, is at greater risk of having either the modification or evidence of it detected.
This isn't the 90's. And to be fair, the cars you're referring to are long since out of warranty.
But if we're talking today's vehicles, desiel or gasoline, (and presumably we are, and if we're not, then why stop at 90's era vehicles, why not bring up 60's era muscle cars too?) you mod them for power, you significantly risk having a power train warranty claim denied.
You are of course free to argue this if you wish. However it is my hope that anyone out there with a late model performance car, or truck, regardless of make or model, Duramax, Vette, Viper, Mustang, Hellcat, I don't care whether it's a renown tuner like Katech, Lingenfelter, you name it, (my background is in GM vehicles primarily) intending to modify it for performance, especially if it involves an alteration or alterations in the stock calibration, i.e. a tune, goes in knowing that doing so jeopardizes the factory power train warranty.
People have gone so far as swapping out entire ECMs to avoid detection and still been detected.
Now the Tuner may offer a limited warranty on his work. But good luck if you get caught in the middle between him and the manufacturer, one blaming the other for the mishap, should you have to make a claim.
The above said, on the chance that I have overlooked something here, perhaps you can point to the current vehicle which can have it's 0-60 performance improved from 3.1 seconds down to 2.9 seconds without risking significant portions of any existing warranty coverage.
My point was this part of your statement below:
....yes but they wouldn't be paying $5K for the same power. They'd be paying a lot less for that power but without a warranty.
The point is that if you're not paying for a factory upgrade, it's often relatively cheap to add lots of power to cars even if you technically void the warranty. It's expensive to have this provided by the factory where it doesn't void the warranty. That's why $5K is not that expensive but if this were an aftermarket mode, it would be outrageously expensive.
The Porsche Panamera Turbo could be upgraded with the factory "S Powerkit", adding approx. 50 hp. This did not affect the warranty, as Porsche offered this upgrade as .....
I would love to add my two cents how the ludicrous upgrade would do against various exotics. I raced against quite a few with insane mode at one of my car club events at a private runway last fall. It looks like my upgrade will be about 3 weeks late for spring event. I did win against a few ferraris and lambos but lost to some moded GTRs and a 911 turbo S with just insane modeTales of road play with vettes and BMW Ms and other reports and reviews with ludi enabled would be both more interesting, more on topic and more helpful to those contemplating the investment. Any such reports?
And any more pre and post time slip comparisons?
Tales of road play with vettes and BMW Ms and other reports and reviews with ludi enabled would be both more interesting, more on topic and more helpful to those contemplating the investment. Any such reports?
And any more pre and post time slip comparisons?
However, why are there no videos of a P85D Insane vs. P85D Ludicrous drag race or P85D Ludicrous vs. P90D Ludicrous (there are only videos of P85D Insane vs. P90DL)?
Thanks P85DEE for the videos.
However, why are there no videos of a P85D Insane vs. P85D Ludicrous drag race or P85D Ludicrous vs. P90D Ludicrous (there are only videos of P85D Insane vs. P90DL)? Such videos would be highly appreciated to show the true difference (if any) in the real world. I have only seen one very short poor-quality video of a P85D vs. P85DL launch from traffic lights on youtube.
Test driving a P90DL convinced me to sign up for the Ludicrous upgrade for my P85D, because the difference was definitely noticeable, since the head-snapping blackout-inspiring "insane" acceleration in 0-30 mph was still present at 50 mph on the P90DL, whereas on the P85D the power and acceleration clearly fades away after 30 mph. But reading these P85DL reviews seems to give a mixed and perhaps a little disappointing picture. Is the P85DL then noticeably slower than the P90DL so that my test drive of the P90DL gave too rosy expectations regarding the Ludicrous upgrade?
I think that we are in agreement here more than we are in disagreement.
The game has changed a lot, and over the last few years even, when it comes to mods and power train warranty.
As I believe that you have experience in the GT-R, this point is hardly lost on you.
Because power train warranty is, at least to me, more important now than it has perhaps ever been in automotive history considering the complexity and expense of repair of today's vehicles, this was why I put the word "pay" in quotes.
It is indeed "cheap" in terms of cash outlay to cover the modification. A cheap wet nitrous kit will add significant power.
But at what "cost"?
My point was it will "cost" the peace of mind and yes, the potential real ability to have a safety net to cover potential expensive issues following the mod.
There is a minor benefit in the 90 over the 85 in that the 90's voltage does not sag quite so much as the 85 under the same current draw giving the 90 a very slight power advantage. I doubt much of anyone could feel the difference; I know I can not.