Performance Upgrade Price Change!

[outie]

Yes I'm in CA. No I wasnt given the option to inspect before I signed. I was shown the car after all paperwork was signed and executed. The first and last car I will ever buy sight unseen. I put my faith in them. They proved me a fool.

They give you 2 days or 3 to return it though.

 

[paranoidroid]

I would take the deal. I plan to buy lightweight 18" wheels anyway so I'll get some efficiency back. Again I'd take the deal for the reasons stated above. I want the continued support and value for my vehicle. At this point I have every expectation that my car is now another Zune.

I don't think you really thought this through. The value in PUP is all in the wheels & brakes. If you had PUP you'd have more restrictions on wheels due to the brake geometry requirements (needing some boring of wheels).

It's so easy to get track brake pads and better wheels/tires on your P3D- and go beyond PUP. But it's impossible to get free lifetime SC.

I don't think Tesla will stop supporting your car. Again, have faith Track Mode will come out for P3D-.

 

[caskater47]

They give you 2 days or 3 to return it though.

Yup. And I nearly returned it. I called my Deliver Specialist ten times in those 48 hours as well as emailed multiple times. I decided to be patient and hope to work things out instead of getting too worked up about it. Wow was I wrong. I should have taken it right back. Such a huge mistake on my part.

 

[happyzod]

Except you never paid the $5k with your P- like the P3D+ owners did. This is why Tesla has to draw the line somewhere. If they give you a refund for $5k you never paid, then you already see the AWD owners saying their value is diminished since they would have gotten a P if it was only $5k more (early in the thread many had this exact complaint).

Don't forget, PUP purchasers have paid taxes on it as well as increased yearly registration and insurance fees (which will never be recouped). P3D- owners never paid the $5k so I think while it sucks, it's totally reasonable Tesla would not offer a $5k refund for money that was never paid.

Now, you can fairly argue they should upgrade your wheels and brakes (in trade for lifetime SC). But really, unless you're going to drive the car HARD at a track where it will heat soak your brakes repeatedly the 15% efficiency lost for all other driving that the package dings you is not worth it. Lifetime SC is worth more for most users.

If they truly never come out with Track Mode for P3D-, then I would be truly upset. But I have faith they will have Track Mode for P3D- coming.

I keep hearing this argument but it ignores one crucial group of people. P3D- owners who took delivery AFTER PUP upgrade became free based on Elon Musk's tweet that said he was going to give a 5K refund. Those people got screwed the most since they could have returned the car for a full refund and re-ordered with PUP. It was basically a bait and switch. Tesla was not going to be able to sell P3D- cars anymore. All P3D- cars would be converted to AWD cars (9K less) but Elon Musk conveniently tweeted about the 5K refund tricking countless P3D- owners into accepting delivery of their P3D- hoping for a refund.

 

[caskater47]

I don't think you really thought this through. The value in PUP is all in the wheels & brakes. If you had PUP you'd have more restrictions on wheels due to the brake geometry requirements (needing some boring of wheels).

It's so easy to get track brake pads and better wheels/tires on your P3D- and go beyond PUP. But it's impossible to get free lifetime SC.

I don't think Tesla will stop supporting your car. Again, have faith Track Mode will come out for P3D-.

I really hope you're right but I'm not holding my breath. I have a long history with being an early adopter of failed products. And my overall customer experience has been such garbage since day one that I don't have any faith left that they'll do the right thing.

Elon Musk is a liar and a cheat.

 

[Roys3]

Except you never paid the $5k with your P- like the P3D+ owners did. This is why Tesla has to draw the line somewhere. If they give you a refund for $5k you never paid, then you already see the AWD owners saying their value is diminished since they would have gotten a P if it was only $5k more (early in the thread many had this exact complaint).

Don't forget, PUP purchasers have paid taxes on it as well as increased yearly registration and insurance fees (which will never be recouped). P3D- owners never paid the $5k so I think while it sucks, it's totally reasonable Tesla would not offer a $5k refund for money that was never paid.

Now, you can fairly argue they should upgrade your wheels and brakes (in trade for lifetime SC). But really, unless you're going to drive the car HARD at a track where it will heat soak your brakes repeatedly the 15% efficiency lost for all other driving that the package dings you is not worth it. Lifetime SC is worth more for most users.

If they truly never come out with Track Mode for P3D-, then I would be truly upset. But I have faith they will have Track Mode for P3D- coming.

I know I never paid for PUP - and I'm willing to pay taxes to get it for free - like the newbs do now - and like the early P+ buyers are now also getting for free because of their rebate checks.
So: 1) give me PUP, or 2) give me $5K (and I'll do it aftermarket), or 3) credit my account $5K against future purchases, or 4) - and here's where I give Tesla and everyone a break - give me FSD (full self driving option). Seems more than fair.
You have your idea "where Tesla should draw the line", i.e. making only P+ people satisfied - and I have mine: making all P people satisfied.

 

[Powered By Jay]

Yes I'm in CA. No I wasnt given the option to inspect before I signed. I was shown the car after all paperwork was signed and executed. The first and last car I will ever buy sight unseen. I put my faith in them. They proved me a fool.

Did you ask to see the car first? I picked up in Marina del Rey. They asked for the check initially and I said I wanted to see the car before I pay in case I were to reject the car. I got to hold on to my check and they brought the car out to let me see It.

 

[caskater47]

Did you ask to see the car first? I picked up in Marina del Rey. They asked for the check initially and I said I wanted to see the car before I pay in case I were to reject the car. I got to hold on to my check and they brought the car out to let me see It.

I took delivery in MDR also. No I didn't demand to see the car first. Again I put faith in them and assumed nothing would be wrong. I was foolishly optimistic.

 

[Maximilien]

Transfer it to me! Great honesty!
I think most P+ owners went PUP for the same reasons you did.

I would have gone PUP because my neck of the woods has lots of great curvy roads, and passing lanes! - but after much soul searching I went with EAP instead. No regrets, but when newbs suddenly get PUP gifted to them - consider me a damn newb! (even though I'm not)

LOL I really would, if Tesla let us. When I know I won't use it, might as well give it to another that wants it and use it to the fullest.

But chance of it happening is nearly zero because Tesla won't let transfer things like that.

I agree that if Tesla made it clear that P3D- is not eligible for track mode, you and many others would have probably chosen PUP.

 

[chickensworth]

They should definitely offer PUP as a (free) upgrade option for those who want it. That seems like the most fair.

I’m not quite sure about the fairness of that scenario... would all P3D+ owners get a second set of wheels, brakes and suspension components along with a 5k refund to make it all even?
Some good solutions floated out there, and unfortunately Tesla is taking a messy path for themselves and the consumer.
I like the low or no cost option for tesla to give Luda to existing owners and charge 5K to new buyers... hurry up and develop that option already!

 

[paranoidroid]

I know I never paid for PUP - and I'm willing to pay taxes to get it for free - like the newbs do now - and like the early P+ buyers are now also getting for free because of their rebate checks.
So: 1) give me PUP, or 2) give me $5K (and I'll do it aftermarket), or 3) credit my account $5K against future purchases, or 4) - and here's where I give Tesla and everyone a break - give me FSD (full self driving option). Seems more than fair.
You have your idea "where Tesla should draw the line", i.e. making only P+ people satisfied - and I have mine: making all P people satisfied.

So you would give up free lifetime supercharging for PUP? That's really the only reasonable extension Tesla could do. Personally I would trade lifetime supercharging for $5k if that was already paid (and P3D+ still lose out on taxes and yearly fees). But I would not trade lifetime supercharging for a free PUP upgrade as I can do that for $2k and come out better and keep free lifetime SC.

 

[caskater47]

I’m not quite sure about the fairness of that scenario... would all P3D+ owners get a second set of wheels, brakes and suspension components along with a 5k refund to make it all even?
Some good solutions floated out there, and unfortunately Tesla is taking a messy path for themselves and the consumer.
I like the low or no cost option for tesla to give Luda to existing owners and charge 5K to new buyers... hurry up and develop that option already!

You think Tesla is going to give the parts back to customers once they swap them out? That's hilarious. No, they'll keep them and reuse the parts on another vehicle.

 

[MXWing]

I know I never paid for PUP - and I'm willing to pay taxes to get it for free - like the newbs do now - and like the early P+ buyers are now also getting for free because of their rebate checks.
So: 1) give me PUP, or 2) give me $5K (and I'll do it aftermarket), or 3) credit my account $5K against future purchases, or 4) - and here's where I give Tesla and everyone a break - give me FSD (full self driving option). Seems more than fair.
You have your idea "where Tesla should draw the line", i.e. making only P+ people satisfied - and I have mine: making all P people satisfied.

Early 3P+ owners would have to give up FUSC as a condition. That’s called “Indian giving” (not meant to be derogatory).

No one has taken a photo of a check and there has been no official declaration from Tesla. Elon’s tweets were off the cuff and at times have been contradictory.

@chickensworth and I pushed for something that should make everyone happy from day 1 of this clusterfrak. New software option like Ludicrous gratis to early adopters. 5K for new buyers.

I think track mode comes to 3P-, but will take time due to software changes.

Anything and everything regarding track mode was with a 3P+. Not an aero wheel to be seen anywhere.

 

[chickensworth]

You think Tesla is going to give the parts back to customers once they swap them out? That's hilarious. No, they'll keep them and reuse the parts on another vehicle.

No I don’t... just like I don’t think they’ll throw used parts on new cars either... hence the improbability of them offering the free upgrade to P3D- owners.

 

[Big City]

I know I never paid for PUP - and I'm willing to pay taxes to get it for free - like the newbs do now - and like the early P+ buyers are now also getting for free because of their rebate checks.
So: 1) give me PUP, or 2) give me $5K (and I'll do it aftermarket), or 3) credit my account $5K against future purchases, or 4) - and here's where I give Tesla and everyone a break - give me FSD (full self driving option). Seems more than fair.
You have your idea "where Tesla should draw the line", i.e. making only P+ people satisfied - and I have mine: making all P people satisfied.

I agree that P3D- owners are getting a bad deal. I picked mine up the day before the price drop. I didn't find out about it until Saturday, and then read that Elan would refund $5000, so I wasn't concerned.

The next day, I later called Tesla support and was told only PUP users were being refunded. She said that this issue was still being worked out, and she would file a ticket for me and told me to email support. I immediately sent an email and it's been two weeks with no response.

I understand why Tesla won't give us P3D- owners $5000. PUP upgrade costs to Tesla were a lot cheaper than $5000, maybe in the range of $1,500 - $2000. So it was not a bit hit for them as it would be to give the same deal to P3D- owners.

Personally, I like your options 3 and 4 (if you already had paid for EAP), and how about option 5) Give me free EAP. That would be the cheapest cost to Tesla, but yeah, what about people that paid for FSD. So EAP, 'd be happy

FUSC does not offer much value to me. I don't plan on taking long trips, and use my Model 3 mostly for local commuting.

 

[caskater47]

No I don’t... just like I don’t think they’ll throw used parts on new cars either... hence the improbability of them offering the free upgrade to P3D- owners.

Based on some of the stories I've read here I wouldn't put it past them. Especially something like the wheels that cab easily pass as new. They are most likely to put them on cars at a service center in need of repair. They can easily get additional use out of them. Lots of tire shops will sell lightly used tires at a deep discount. Tesla I'm sure would do the same.

 

[Lucky13]

LOL I really would, if Tesla let us. When I know I won't use it, might as well give it to another that wants it and use it to the fullest.

But chance of it happening is nearly zero because Tesla won't let transfer things like that.

I agree that if Tesla made it clear that P3D- is not eligible for track mode, you and many others would have probably chosen PUP.

Your last paragraph is exactly the entirety of the problem for me. I want to track my car and track mode makes the car Excel in that arena. Without track mode my sessions will be super limited time wise.

 

[outie]

Yup. And I nearly returned it. I called my Deliver Specialist ten times in those 48 hours as well as emailed multiple times. I decided to be patient and hope to work things out instead of getting too worked up about it. Wow was I wrong. I should have taken it right back. Such a huge mistake on my part.

Yea that really sucks. I guess if one wants to return it it’s better to drive it back and show up in person.

 

[Jbailey]

3P+
Black paint
White seats

Same config is 5500 cheaper today though with no FUSC.

My background is Economics so I am very cognizant at looking at the macro picture and not just my individual household.

As a household I took the maximum loss possible. Same config 60 days later is over $6000 cheaper when you account for outsized tax and registration fees.

I can recoup 5000 of that at an expense, give up something that was previously sold to me as part of a package. Pretty crappy.

Macro wise, there is no way for Tesla to run their business that can please everyone all the time.
That is why we sign MVPA. We got what we paid for.

A 3P- is a AWD car that has a 0-60 of 3.5

A 3P+ is an AWD car that has a 0-60 of 3.5, higher top speed, performance suspension, BBK, and some cosmetic enhancements.

Looking at the game theory, which Model 3 package that EVERYONE had equal opportunity to buy would ensure you 100% of all bells and whistles applicable to the highest end Model 3s. 3P+

3P-?? You take your chances. You didn’t pay for the VIP package yet expect the same VIP perks.

It’s irrelevant if you planned on aftermarket changes of your P3-. How can Tesla possibly account for that?

Tesla could have avoided all controversy entirely by just doing two things:
1.) Mention future unspecified upgrades exclusive to PUP package vehicles.
2.) Force bundle PUP and raise the whole price by $2500. Tesla makes $2500 more per car and any griping is too small to get this momentum.

Tesla made tons of mistakes in pricing, strategy, and messaging. Any unlisted features, they can offer to any trim at any time.

You got what you paid for. Tesla owes us nothing and can offer any deal to anyone as they see fit.

No one has any options other than

1.) Wait for the official terms, policies, conditions.
2.) Hope Tesla can be generous.

If I had one request that would make everyone happy is to offer gratis to early adopters new software no one could have bought. LUDACRIS.

5000 charge to new buyers. Call it a day.

Or transferable car based FUSC. That would actually make the new buyers envious and no immediate impact to Tesla $ wise.

 

[Jbailey]

amen brother....just let the free lifetime supercharging be transferable adding value to the car to compensate for the lost value. Such a simple solution. It is very hard to see the nontransferable lifetime supercharging as having a 5K value