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Um, no. The coolant for the engine, inverter, and battery loops will be replaced for the first time when I get my 3rd oil change when my odometer hits around 150,000 miles.The Volt engine and inverter are "replaced" at 150K miles?
Um, no. The coolant for the engine, inverter, and battery loops will be replaced for the first time when I get my 3rd oil change when my odometer hits around 150,000 miles.
Just spotted this Hybrid over in another part of the forums :tongue:
Just spotted this Hybrid over in another part of the forums :tongue:
It's an EREV!
On another note.. was at the Rockville Service Center on Tues, and the Washington DC EV "club" has a flyer they put out with relevant info in EV's on the market. In it they categorized the Volt as a hybrid...
The distinction your are describing is already differentiated as series hybrid and parallel hybrid. The i3 is a series plugin hybrid and the Volt is a series/parallel plugin hybrid, since at different times it operates in either mode.
Don't speak for all of Europe. Here, they're called usually just called hybrids, or "ladehybrid", literally "chargable hybrids" or more freely translated "plug-in hybrids". I have also seen them referred to as some term in the REEV/EVER -genre, but not very often (most often by the importers and dealers).At least in Europe it is very common already to call series hybrids as having range extenders.
Don't speak for all of Europe. Here, they're called usually just called hybrids, or "ladehybrid", literally "chargable hybrids" or more freely translated "plug-in hybrids". I have also seen them referred to as some term in the REEV/EVER -genre, but not very often (most often by the importers and dealers).
This is to some degree an effect of how they are treated in the tax-system. EVs are incentivized to a very large degree. Plug-in hybrids and other hybrids are incentivized equally and to a much lesser degree than EVs.
How unsurprising. Thanks for the data point.Don't speak for all of Europe. Here, they're called usually just called hybrids, or "ladehybrid", literally "chargable hybrids" or more freely translated "plug-in hybrids". I have also seen them referred to as some term in the REEV/EVER -genre, but not very often (most often by the importers and dealers).
How unsurprising. Thanks for the data point.
The Karma, the Ampera, the Outlander PHEV, etc are all called plug-in hybrids/ "ladehybrid". The i3 REX is completely unknown to almost everyone, so I can hardly remember having seen any article referring to it in any way. But browsing some of the reviews and articles on the i3, it is sometimes mentioned in a sentence or two. Like: "The i3 can also come with a range extender, a motorcycle engine which charges the battery while you drive, but this changes the car from an electric car to a hybrid, like the Ampera, and adds $15,000 in taxes to the price, so it's not relevant for Norway."But my question to Yggdrasill remains, what cars are you referring to when saying REEVs are more often called just plug-in hybrids (in Norwegian) in Norway? Do you include the BMW i3 REx? Is the BMW i3 REx just one more plug-in hybrid in Norwegian EV talk or is it being separated in any way?
We don't really have the 3rd classification here. We have old tech hybrids, like the Prius, then we have new tech plug-in hybrids, like the Ampera, Outlander PHEV, i8, V60 PHEV, Karma, etc, and then we have electric cars, like the Model S, Leaf, i-MiEV, i3 (naturally without REX), Zoe, Soul EV, e-Golf, e-Up, etc.I am actually genuinely interested, as so far it seems to me the Range Extender is being treated separately on various European markets (e.g. UK and Germany), compared to the "old" plug-in hybrid. I think a lot of places have on some level split the market into 1) hybrids, 2) plug-in hybrids, 3) EVs with REs and then 4) EVs - or some similar labelling, no matter how inaccurate that sounds to some purists here.
Personally I find the separation useful even if it is technologically inaccurate and somewhat subjective. In common talk, hybrids are cars like the old Prius, plug-in hybrids are cars like A3 e-tron or BMW i8, EVs with REs are cars like BMW i3 REx and pure EVs or BEVs are cars like Tesla and BMW i3 without REx... I think this is the reality on the ground in many places, but of course Norway may be different?
It's pretty clear that the REEV/EREV/EVER term is a marketing term. It will be interesting to see whether the industry terminology will displace the government terminology. I don't think it will, if the government terminology is updated to include "ladehybrid". That would pretty much nail down the definitions, as the tax legislation is really important for the affordability of the vehicles.In any case, I think it is clear the EV with Range Extender wording and concept is gaining popularity at least amongst the European auto industry in various languages here. The implementations are more pure series hybrids than what EREV has been standing for in the U.S. and the industry is marketing the REx as a separate component or even option, not so much a part of the drivetrain. Some in the U.S., obviously, has been approaching the EV question from a bit different perspective overall and that clash shows in a place like this when some may criticize U.S. use of EREV while others talk of the Euro use of REEV, which, while somewhat related, are not exactly the same thing at the moment.
The Karma, the Ampera, the Outlander PHEV, etc are all called plug-in hybrids/ "ladehybrid". The i3 REX is completely unknown to almost everyone, so I can hardly remember having seen any article referring to it in any way. But browsing some of the reviews and articles on the i3, it is sometimes mentioned in a sentence or two. Like: "The i3 can also come with a range extender, a motorcycle engine which charges the battery while you drive, but this changes the car from an electric car to a hybrid, like the Ampera, and adds $15,000 in taxes to the price, so it's not relevant for Norway."
When the government talks about altering the taxation model for plug-in hybrids, it seems very likely that all vehicles that get their propulsive energy from both a battery that can be charged from the grid and an ICE will be treated more or less equally. Maybe you will get some adjustment for all-electric range, but I wouldn't count on it. The most relevant incentive that has been discussed is halved VAT, whereas all-electric cars get 0% VAT. Most likely this incentive would apply to both the cars like the plug-in Prius and cars like the i3 REX.
We don't really have the 3rd classification here. We have old tech hybrids, like the Prius, then we have new tech plug-in hybrids, like the Ampera, Outlander PHEV, i8, V60 PHEV, Karma, etc, and then we have electric cars, like the Model S, Leaf, i-MiEV, i3 (naturally without REX), Zoe, Soul EV, e-Golf, e-Up, etc.
It's pretty clear that the REEV/EREV/EVER term is a marketing term. It will be interesting to see whether the industry terminology will displace the government terminology. I don't think it will, if the government terminology is updated to include "ladehybrid". That would pretty much nail down the definitions, as the tax legislation is really important for the affordability of the vehicles.
You've got to be kidding.