Seriously Porsche!? Tempted to jump ship, new Taycan Turismo

[SilverGS]

the S and X are in a sunset phase, in other words, done.

Tesla temporarily halts production of its Model S and Model X

Tesla has not built any of its two most expensive cars -- the Model S and Model X -- so far this year.

www.cnn.com

Temporary halt is not the same as "sunset, done"

 

[pkitch]

To me today's EV cars are more like computers and phones. That's why Tesla is smart to do air updates which helps negate this. But even with that I think new electric cars will age faster in technology than in the past. Sort of like smart phones and lab tops with their continuous hardware and software updates. Three or four years and they are dated. So its buy and trade in or lease. Depending on your budget and needs that will be the only way to stay up on the latest. Ice cars didn't change much in the last 10 years but that is over I think.

I feel it depends on the auto maker, most are deliberately making changes to drive new sales (obivously), switch cars every 3-5 years at most, and the most cost effective place to do this (self driving R&D aside perhaps) are the tech 'gadgets'.

Tesla is breaking this trend, the Model S since 2013 is one of the longest runs of body shape out there, and with relatively minor changes happening (plus the regular OTA updates to help satiate our wants for latest and created) unscheduled does not promote the upgrade behavior. I think Tesla re-sale values support this, they are still in very high demand (judging by depreciation).

 

[mk677]

Temporary halt is not the same as "sunset, done"

oh ok

 

[mk677]

I ain’t the one in a Tesla forum whining about the fact that people like Tesla.

I never whined about people liking tesla. you really should not post personal attacks

 

[mk677]

the model 3 and Taycan are in a different class. A model 3 owner isn’t buying a Porsche because he probably can’t afford it.

compare the Taycan to a model S, that is the only appropriate comparison.

I thought people might like to see some Taycan comparisons with other EV's, all in the same place. There are lots of tests on YouTube but most are anecdotal or just descriptive. There are several reviewers who have a test protocol and provide screen shots that allow you to determine the state of the car. I think they are the gold standard as far as real world testing goes. It should be the EPA, but Meh! If anyone knows of other good quality tests, let me know and I can add to the table. Also if there are any errors or clarifications. It is always a bit of a dog's breakfast figuring out other people's results.

So here's a table ranked by indicated range travelled.

Model	Tester	Battery Size kW/h	Air Temp Fahrenheit	Drive Mode	Target Speed mph	Wheel Size	Indicated Range Miles
Tesla Model S LR Raven	Bjorn	100	55.4 - 64.4	Range	56.5	19	400.1
Taycan 2020 4S	Bjorn	93.3/83.7	71.6 - 80.6	Range	56.5	19	360.0
Telsa 2021 Model 3 Long Range	Tom Moloughney	82	70 - 80		70		305
Tesla Model S LR Raven	Bjorn	100	59 - 62.6	Range	74.6	19	293.9
Taycan 2021 RWD	InsideEVs US	93.4/83.7	69	Range	70		293.3
Tesla 2019 Model 3 Long Range	Tom Moloughney	75	76 - 78		70		289.1
Mustang 2021 Mach-E AWD	Tom Moloughney	98.8/88.0	60 - 74	Whisper	70		285.5
Taycan 2020 4S	InsideEvs US	93.4/83.7	75-80	Range	70	21	277.9
Taycan 2020 4S	Bjorn	93.4/83.7	68 - 72.5	Range	74.6	19	264

Taycan 2020 4S	JimBob	93.4/83.7	53.1	Range	71.5	20	260.4
Jaguar I-Pace EV400	Bjorn	90	13		56	18	259
Taycan 2020 4S	JimBob	93.4/83.7	34.7	Range	71.5	20	237.5
Taycan 2020 4S	Tom Moloughney	93.4/83.7	14 - 29	Range	70	20	213
Taycan 2020 4S	JimBob	93.4/83.7	16.3	Range	71.5	20	210.1
Jaguar I-Pace	Bjorn	90	13	Range	74.6	18	189
Audi Etron GT	TBD
Mercedes EQS	TBD

Additional points

I have included my tests as they have a set protocol and are documented. I just don't have any warm weather tests yet.

The only car in the table above that could be considered a direct competitor to the Taycan is the Tesla Model S LR Raven. I have never sat in one let alone driven one, so I have no idea as to how it compares.

There are two cars, the Audi Etron Gt and Mercedes EQS, which could be legitimate competition to the Taycan but that have not been tested yet.

And there some missing tests for the Taycan which could be helpful. Tests at speeds above 80 mph, at temperatures above 90F and below 0F.

 

[mk677]

I feel it depends on the auto maker, most are deliberately making changes to drive new sales (obivously), switch cars every 3-5 years at most, and the most cost effective place to do this (self driving R&D aside perhaps) are the tech 'gadgets'.

Tesla is breaking this trend, the Model S since 2013 is one of the longest runs of body shape out there, and with relatively minor changes happening (plus the regular OTA updates to help satiate our wants for latest and created) unscheduled does not promote the upgrade behavior. I think Tesla re-sale values support this, they are still in very high demand (judging by depreciation).

I beg to differ, exhibit A

Tesla history of model changes by year

Tesla history of model changes by year, we list all the hardware changes and updates to each model

tesla-info.com

 

[SO16]

I did it. Ordered a Taycan slated for June delivery. (tracker says it arrived at port yesterday) Replacing a Model 3. Never looking back.

Good for you. So are you going to linger around here long after you sold your Tesla like InternetDud and a few others do?

 

[SilverGS]

Good for you. So are you going to linger around here long after you sold your Tesla like InternetDud and a few others do?

This cracked me up lol

 

[pkitch]

I beg to differ, exhibit A

Tesla history of model changes by year

Tesla history of model changes by year, we list all the hardware changes and updates to each model

tesla-info.com

Without referring to that list (interesting BTW), how many non Tesla owners would have awareness? Aside from the nose cone, they still look the same, and again I think re-sale values support my opinion on this.

 

[qdeathstar]

I never whined about people liking tesla. you really should not post personal attacks

You whined at me bro. You whined at me.

 

[mk677]

Without referring to that list (interesting BTW), how many non Tesla owners would have awareness? Aside from the nose cone, they still look the same, and again I think re-sale values support my opinion on this.

posting the list was just showing how clueless so many who post are

 

[mk677]

Good for you. So are you going to linger around here long after you sold your Tesla like InternetDud and a few others do?

so what if he does stick around?
are you now in charge of who participates?
trying to chase people away highlights how fragile and intolerant you are of people who don't share your opinions

 

[qdeathstar]

 

[SO16]

trying to chase people ways highlights how fragile and intolerant you are of people who don't share your opinions

This....coming from you? Hmm

 

[john5520]

Yea, my vote is gonna be a model s plaid plus for well.. not 90k.

Yep. And Elon isn't going to let another manufacturer keep the top spot for performance. So, it's going to be available and I predict it will be a hit. For the price, it's a great deal considering there are grossly overpriced cars like the AMG S63 Coupe for over 200k when configured. And having ridden in one quite a few times (drove it a couple times), it ain't worth anything close to that.

 

[InternetDude]

Good for you. So are you going to linger around here long after you sold your Tesla like InternetDud and a few others do?

Oh that’s a good one, but the only dud in my life was the Model S that needed a mechanic more often than a 10 year old BMW.

 

[Kandiru]

You jump if you plan on staying in your home area, try long distance travel outside of coastal areas and you will come back to Tesla.

 

[Gazzy644]

the EA network is fairly extensive for free/fast charging and there are many other networks that can be accessed. the advantage of the tesla network is diminishing.

This. There are lots of 150/350KW EA stations on the West coast. Road tripping hasn’t been an issue since the late 2020.

 

[Ocelot]

I did it. Ordered a Taycan slated for June delivery. (tracker says it arrived at port yesterday) Replacing a Model 3. Never looking back.

That’s another major difference, as the Tesla owner needs to look back to know where you are on the road.. Enjoy the ride.

 

[mk677]

You jump if you plan on staying in your home area, try long distance travel outside of coastal areas and you will come back to Tesla.

this is a very ill informed comment. the EA network is almost as extensive as the tesla network and and the additional networks like evgo, chargepoint, greenlots, and many others fill in just fine. a taycan can travel anywhere a tesla can travel and at the EA 350 kw units the taycan will charge faster than a tesla.