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Service says $22k for new battery on 2012 Model S
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BostonBurley
Sorry. Bipolar.
I have a 2800 vin, and have been out of warranty since December 8. I’ve had rear subframe replaced, right headlight, all suspension components, new wheels and tires and new pads and rotors. Early vin is a money pit. It’s a rather unreliable car whether new used or old. I’d avoid a new battery. The car isn’t even worth that.
Thank you! Finally someone around here who makes sense and understands basic math.
SmartElectric
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VIN 6000-ish and we’re doing great with recent new eMMC and 4g upgrades. Car feels better than it did in 2015 when we bought it used. Less than 5% battery degradation. Not remotely a money pit. But then again, Tesla replaced a drive unit, rear air suspension, battery heater core, cabin heater core and one door handle under warranty. We finally spent the first money post warranty upgrading to 4g last week, and Tesla charged us less than $320 Canadian (!!!!) before tax. What other car company offers an infotainment computer upgrade like this!?
My Daimler EV lost 2g connectivity years ago and no options. My newer Daimler EV has 3g connectivity but they refused to allow NA customers to use it, just Europe gets the phone app.
My Daimler EV lost 2g connectivity years ago and no options. My newer Daimler EV has 3g connectivity but they refused to allow NA customers to use it, just Europe gets the phone app.
Elon isn't doing you a favor by charging an acceptable rate for one aspect of the vehicle, faster connectivity.
SmartElectric
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Just “acceptable” ?! I don’t know if you’re aware of the Canadian dollar. $300 is like $200 USD. It’s stupid cheap. Tesla is giving this away. Very very happy owner of a very early Model S, and Elon had very little to do with how happy we are as owners. Tesla has done well by us. Minimizing my feedback with that reply…why bother, is the case arguing about poor Tesla practices or reliability so weak that my experience is not to be uttered in public lest it water down the case. Huh.
BostonBurley
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jpvdheijn
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I am very interested how our Friend Hoovy will tackle this problem with his out of warranty model S.
These structural battery packs sounds like a great thing but is it? Are they really thinking that the new cells will go million miles? Stuff happens but I feel that Tesla is not considering a pack repair.
I just want an easy way for them to auto isolate bad cells.
BostonBurley
Sorry. Bipolar.
Chevy is able to do this with the bolt’s battery pouches and replace affected cells on the spot.
But I want it “automatic”. And no need to replace affected cells. Just take them out of operation since there are so many (7k). Only a little bit of range loss.
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You can take the cells out, but as you take more cells out, it will create a bigger and bigger imbalance between the bricks.
The BMS will try to compensate by lowering the charge on the other bricks, so you loose more range then just the dead cells.
Eventually the BMS will decide the imbalance is too great and give an error and to replace the whole battery,.
It seems that only a few cells become problems over time. Gruber motors takes the whole battery apart just to isolate the cell. Would be great if it self isolated so that taking apart the battery for this reason becomes unnecessary.
ucmndd
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Creating a remote, BMS-controlled mechanism to arbitrarily isolate (i.e. physically disconnect) any single cell in a ~7,000 cell pack sounds like a pretty significant amount of complexity to engineer in for what is presumably a relatively low rate of failure. There's also the matter of whether or not this is really a feasible solution for the long term... Gruber obviously says yes, @wk057 seems to be pretty firmly on the other side of the fence, suggesting this "fix" just exacerbates imbalance issues in the pack and ultimately leads to other issues.
Not sure the juice is worth the squeeze. For better or worse, remanufacturing and/or manual remedy is probably the most efficient means to address this at scale.
henderrj
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I'm still waiting to hear of an actual vehicle that Gruber has done this with. I don't think there's any users out there, perhaps I should say customers of gruber's, that have had this done. Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't know of any.
I've done a battery replacement for one customer who originally sought service from Gruber. They were allegedly told that the cell-snip repair was not possible on their vehicle... despite the YouTube hype they caused about this. I'm pretty sure they know that this is not a real fix, and the YouTube stuff is just marketing hype to pull people in for bait and switch nonsense.
Like I said, it's not a fix. Do not have this cell-removal "fix" done to your vehicles unless you want a rather large and expensive paperweight.
BostonBurley
Sorry. Bipolar.
Changing a module is no easy feat. At Chevy they can do this with the pouch batteries, but at Tesla if you have battery issues they take your pack out and give you a loaner pack. Seems like even if you buy a new 90kwh battery from Tesla for $21,000 installed, you give them your mostly reusable used pack as part of the deal.
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