What market feed do you guys use to watch this stuff in real time. Anything consumer grade or is this something through a bigger firm? I worked for a HFT options MM a while ago, and I definitely don't expect to find anything that detailed, but any software that I could get my eyes on and keep studying would be excellent.
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Short-Term TSLA Price Movements - 2015
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If this was a bear attack, it didn't have any claws. However, I am concerned about the Grexit and other macro factors and TSLA lacking any short term catalysts to keep positive momentum. The InsideEVs April delivery estimate for Tesla in North America didn't give the bears much to work with, so now it's really about Model X watch. An even later Model X launch means they'll be looking for a capital raise or means to stay afloat and the bears will be cheering for bankrupcy. Looney, of course, but Tesla death watch would commence regardless. Of course, positive news with Model X or stationary storage firm orders, projects, or other real commitments would have the opposite effect.
A lot of us use TD Ameritrade's Thinkorswim, which is free with any account and is, IMO, as close to a Bloomberg terminal as it gets for less than $30k/year. It even exposes Level II data if you are into that. Their mobile apps are solid, as well. Others use Interactive Brokers and like it.
There used to be a thread to discuss trading tools, but I can't seem to find it.
Edit: Found it, complete with a vintage Causalien quote:
What type of up front payment is Tesla requiring for the Powerwall and Powerpack?
If Tesla sold around $800 million worth in one week, Tesla could easily have a few billion dollars in preorders by now. Couldn't Tesla use the billions of dollars in "preorderers" to finance the Gigafactory among other things?
Reminds me of the hundreds of millions of dollars Tesla received from Model S and Model X reservations that was used to ramp up production of the Model S, among other things.
When Tesla was taking reservations for the Tesla Roadster, Tesla required a $100,000 deposit.
Anyone think its likely Tesla will require full upfront payment for the Powerwall and maybe a $1000-$2000 deposit for the Powerpack? This would be an easy way to gauge real demand, and would give Tesla a few billion dollars to invest into speeding up and expanding production.
Would make a lot of sense for Tesla, since unless Tesla is able to increase production much faster than planned, the Powerwall and Powerpack could already be sold out through 2017.
If Tesla sold around $800 million worth in one week, Tesla could easily have a few billion dollars in preorders by now. Couldn't Tesla use the billions of dollars in "preorderers" to finance the Gigafactory among other things?
Reminds me of the hundreds of millions of dollars Tesla received from Model S and Model X reservations that was used to ramp up production of the Model S, among other things.
When Tesla was taking reservations for the Tesla Roadster, Tesla required a $100,000 deposit.
Anyone think its likely Tesla will require full upfront payment for the Powerwall and maybe a $1000-$2000 deposit for the Powerpack? This would be an easy way to gauge real demand, and would give Tesla a few billion dollars to invest into speeding up and expanding production.
Would make a lot of sense for Tesla, since unless Tesla is able to increase production much faster than planned, the Powerwall and Powerpack could already be sold out through 2017.
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Nice, thank you very much, I actually have my account with TD right now so I should have TOS. Time for me to dig in and get learning.
Well yes, best ICE cars on the planet, if that's your thing.
Thinnest kids at fat camp
So a thread on the TM forum is reporting that ~100 Chinese Model S owners are planning to put an ad in the New York Times requesting hardware upgrades (autopilot, dual motor) for older Model S. While I think their demands are no valid, this could provide shorts with further FUD to drive the stock price down. Below if the first part of the Chinese text then the Google translate version.
Chinese Tesla Owners planning on posting Message on New York Times to Elon Musk for retrofitting pre auto pilot model S | Forums | Tesla Motors
http://club.autohome.com.cn/bbs/thread-c-2357-41506194-1.html
车主起草的中英文版公开信，摘录中文版如下：
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致一家值得期待的企业
回忆小时候玩过乐高积木，那时候玩的不亦乐乎。现在成年了对乐高积木还是充满想象，找时间卷起袖管玩一会儿。这些简单的物件不但为孩童构建出一个奇妙的世界，让每一个看到它的小孩都抵挡不了如此大的诱惑。
而我第一次接触特斯拉的时候，就仿佛像小孩子般着了魔般在摆弄自己心爱的玩具。但MODEL S不是玩具，而是一辆颠覆汽车制造史的纯电动车。玩具不好玩了，咱们可以弃之一边，不管不顾。但特斯拉是一家值得我们期待的高科技企业，我们有义务去提醒他，成为一家伟大的公司，为更多的成人找回童年的乐趣。
参考特斯拉的三步走战略：08年小众高端的Roadster跑车、12年的Model S轿车到未来3万美元的model 3。我们希望特斯拉能设立汽车硬件改装事业部，此部与研发同时进行。
1、2015年年底前：推出对较老车型的感应元器件的升级，如：增加光学摄像机，测距雷达。阶段性目的：让老款汽车能自动泊车、主动刹车、自动驾驶。
2、2016年年中：推出对14款车型的动力改装，增加前轮电机。阶段性目的：让老款车型在地面道路能更安全稳定，动力充沛。
3、Future：待特斯拉推出100Kwh，300Kwh的锂电池时，为老款车型换上新电池，回收85Kwh的电池。阶段性目的：对抗电池衰减确保续航里程、改装旧电池用作家用等。
Target：特斯拉企业能完成以上阶段目标，将建立起一个任何传统车企业都没有闭合的健康生态圈，新车及旧车改装的利润都由原车企获取。当然有盈利，特斯拉才会为大家制造更好的汽车。可以预想的，以后制约车主买电动车的最大瓶颈是怕电动车与手机一样，迅速贬值！现阶段特斯拉按车主的要求去做，投入肯定很大，但这是老车主与企业的双赢。以后特斯拉在官网的广告也可以改为：零排放、零妥协、零贬值。
From:我们是一批对tesla心存美好愿景的车主
这封信我们的最终目的是希望能送到Elon Musk的办公桌上，对！就是那个真人世界中的钢铁侠。我们要他为我们打造我们的装备：
1、如果你有很好英文写作能力，而且愿意帮我们！请联系我们公众号！
2、如果你觉得我们这片文章糟透了！你觉得自己会写的更好！请联系我们公众号！
3、如果你是特斯拉车主，对自己的车还是不满意，希望特斯拉能造更好的车。那就联系我们吧！
我们做的事可能牵动着全球电动车产业链的发展哦！你说激不激动？我反正是无条件投入了，Come on，加入我们吧！
Owners open letter drafted in the English version, the Chinese version of the following excerpt:
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Caused by an anticipated business
Played childhood memories of Lego, then play the whole day. Now grown up to Lego still full of imagination, to find time to roll up sleeves and play for a while. These simple objects not only for the children to build a wonder of the world, so that every child can see it can not resist so much temptation.
And when I first contact with Tesla, it seems like a childish enchanted like playing with their favorite toys. But MODEL S is not a toy, but a car manufacturing history subvert pure electric vehicles. Toy is not fun, you can abandon the side, regardless of whether. But Tesla is a high-tech enterprise worthy of our expectations, we have an obligation to remind him to become a great company, as more adults return to childhood pleasures.
Reference Tesla's three-step strategy: in 2008 a small minority of high-end sports car Roadster, Model S sedan 12 years into the future $ 30,000 in model 3. We hope to be able to set up car hardware modification Tesla business unit, this portion of the research carried out at the same time.
1, before the end of 2015: Release upgrade older models of inductive components, such as: increased optical cameras, ranging radar. Phased purpose: let the old car can automatic parking, active braking, automatic driving.
2, in mid-2016: the launch of 14 models of power conversion, increased front wheel motor. Phased purpose: to let the older models in the road surface can be more secure and stable, with plenty of power.
3, Future: Tesla to be launched when 100Kwh, 300Kwh lithium battery for older models put a new battery, battery recycling 85Kwh. Phased purpose: to ensure against battery life mileage attenuation, modification of old batteries used for household and so on.
Target: Tesla companies to complete the above milestones, will establish a traditional car companies do not have any closed ecosystem health, car and hot rod car prices, profits are the original acquisition. Of course there is a profit, Tesla will be better for everyone to manufacture cars. It is envisioned, after restricting the owner to buy electric cars the biggest bottleneck is the fear of electric cars and cell phones, the rapid devaluation! Tesla stage according to the owner's request would certainly put a lot, but this is a win-win old owners and businesses. Tesla later the official website of advertising can also be read as follows: zero emissions, zero compromise, zero devaluation.
From: We are a group of tesla feel better vision of the owner
The ultimate purpose of this letter we hope to be able to Elon Musk on the desk, right! The real world is Iron Man. We want him for us to build our equipment:
1, if you have good English writing skills, and willing to help us! Please contact us public number!
2, if you think this article we bad! Do you think you can write better! Please contact us public number!
3. If you are the owner of Tesla on his car was not satisfied, I hope Tesla can build a better car. Then contact us!
We do may affect the development of the global electric vehicle industry chain Oh! You say excited not be excited? Anyway, I was unconditionally put, Come on, join us!
Chinese Tesla Owners planning on posting Message on New York Times to Elon Musk for retrofitting pre auto pilot model S | Forums | Tesla Motors
http://club.autohome.com.cn/bbs/thread-c-2357-41506194-1.html
车主起草的中英文版公开信，摘录中文版如下：
————————————————————
致一家值得期待的企业
回忆小时候玩过乐高积木，那时候玩的不亦乐乎。现在成年了对乐高积木还是充满想象，找时间卷起袖管玩一会儿。这些简单的物件不但为孩童构建出一个奇妙的世界，让每一个看到它的小孩都抵挡不了如此大的诱惑。
而我第一次接触特斯拉的时候，就仿佛像小孩子般着了魔般在摆弄自己心爱的玩具。但MODEL S不是玩具，而是一辆颠覆汽车制造史的纯电动车。玩具不好玩了，咱们可以弃之一边，不管不顾。但特斯拉是一家值得我们期待的高科技企业，我们有义务去提醒他，成为一家伟大的公司，为更多的成人找回童年的乐趣。
参考特斯拉的三步走战略：08年小众高端的Roadster跑车、12年的Model S轿车到未来3万美元的model 3。我们希望特斯拉能设立汽车硬件改装事业部，此部与研发同时进行。
1、2015年年底前：推出对较老车型的感应元器件的升级，如：增加光学摄像机，测距雷达。阶段性目的：让老款汽车能自动泊车、主动刹车、自动驾驶。
2、2016年年中：推出对14款车型的动力改装，增加前轮电机。阶段性目的：让老款车型在地面道路能更安全稳定，动力充沛。
3、Future：待特斯拉推出100Kwh，300Kwh的锂电池时，为老款车型换上新电池，回收85Kwh的电池。阶段性目的：对抗电池衰减确保续航里程、改装旧电池用作家用等。
Target：特斯拉企业能完成以上阶段目标，将建立起一个任何传统车企业都没有闭合的健康生态圈，新车及旧车改装的利润都由原车企获取。当然有盈利，特斯拉才会为大家制造更好的汽车。可以预想的，以后制约车主买电动车的最大瓶颈是怕电动车与手机一样，迅速贬值！现阶段特斯拉按车主的要求去做，投入肯定很大，但这是老车主与企业的双赢。以后特斯拉在官网的广告也可以改为：零排放、零妥协、零贬值。
From:我们是一批对tesla心存美好愿景的车主
这封信我们的最终目的是希望能送到Elon Musk的办公桌上，对！就是那个真人世界中的钢铁侠。我们要他为我们打造我们的装备：
1、如果你有很好英文写作能力，而且愿意帮我们！请联系我们公众号！
2、如果你觉得我们这片文章糟透了！你觉得自己会写的更好！请联系我们公众号！
3、如果你是特斯拉车主，对自己的车还是不满意，希望特斯拉能造更好的车。那就联系我们吧！
我们做的事可能牵动着全球电动车产业链的发展哦！你说激不激动？我反正是无条件投入了，Come on，加入我们吧！
Owners open letter drafted in the English version, the Chinese version of the following excerpt:
--------------------
Caused by an anticipated business
Played childhood memories of Lego, then play the whole day. Now grown up to Lego still full of imagination, to find time to roll up sleeves and play for a while. These simple objects not only for the children to build a wonder of the world, so that every child can see it can not resist so much temptation.
And when I first contact with Tesla, it seems like a childish enchanted like playing with their favorite toys. But MODEL S is not a toy, but a car manufacturing history subvert pure electric vehicles. Toy is not fun, you can abandon the side, regardless of whether. But Tesla is a high-tech enterprise worthy of our expectations, we have an obligation to remind him to become a great company, as more adults return to childhood pleasures.
Reference Tesla's three-step strategy: in 2008 a small minority of high-end sports car Roadster, Model S sedan 12 years into the future $ 30,000 in model 3. We hope to be able to set up car hardware modification Tesla business unit, this portion of the research carried out at the same time.
1, before the end of 2015: Release upgrade older models of inductive components, such as: increased optical cameras, ranging radar. Phased purpose: let the old car can automatic parking, active braking, automatic driving.
2, in mid-2016: the launch of 14 models of power conversion, increased front wheel motor. Phased purpose: to let the older models in the road surface can be more secure and stable, with plenty of power.
3, Future: Tesla to be launched when 100Kwh, 300Kwh lithium battery for older models put a new battery, battery recycling 85Kwh. Phased purpose: to ensure against battery life mileage attenuation, modification of old batteries used for household and so on.
Target: Tesla companies to complete the above milestones, will establish a traditional car companies do not have any closed ecosystem health, car and hot rod car prices, profits are the original acquisition. Of course there is a profit, Tesla will be better for everyone to manufacture cars. It is envisioned, after restricting the owner to buy electric cars the biggest bottleneck is the fear of electric cars and cell phones, the rapid devaluation! Tesla stage according to the owner's request would certainly put a lot, but this is a win-win old owners and businesses. Tesla later the official website of advertising can also be read as follows: zero emissions, zero compromise, zero devaluation.
From: We are a group of tesla feel better vision of the owner
The ultimate purpose of this letter we hope to be able to Elon Musk on the desk, right! The real world is Iron Man. We want him for us to build our equipment:
1, if you have good English writing skills, and willing to help us! Please contact us public number!
2, if you think this article we bad! Do you think you can write better! Please contact us public number!
3. If you are the owner of Tesla on his car was not satisfied, I hope Tesla can build a better car. Then contact us!
We do may affect the development of the global electric vehicle industry chain Oh! You say excited not be excited? Anyway, I was unconditionally put, Come on, join us!
MartinAustin
Active Member
There is no such thing as bad publicity. Having a full-page ad in the New York Times that Tesla didn't pay for is a great thing. Shows how passionate the customers are!
I don't think I ever saw old iPhone owners banding together to campaign for Apple to build new features into their older phones.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Oh please I hope someone does.
What can I say? I'm excited.
Anyway, I hope this whole thing doesn't come to pass, it seems embarassing. Rich Chinese acting like spoiled children. They might as well buy new cars for the money they'd spend on a full page ad in WSJ.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
You Mean, with level 3, you cannot look ahead to see a huge institution dump is pending at certain price level? Or a large (20mil+) stop limit is located at a specific price somewhere? We retails do not have 20mil+ firepower.
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It's a face thing.
I think I might as well apply and translate for them to take advantage of this messed up thing. I will charge $1000 per hour.
That conflict with my memory I'm afraid. The early Roadsters didn't even cost that much. I'm an early 2.0, after the price went up, but our deposit was only $5k or $10k, certainly not $100k.
Tesla Roadster ‘Signature One Hundred’ Series Sells Out | Tesla Motors Österreich
Should have said the Signature 100 Tesla Roadsters.
That article says: "Each customer made a $100,000 deposit to join the Signature One Hundred Club and reserve their “Signature One Hundred” special edition Tesla Roadster. The “Signature One Hundred” edition includes a commemorative plaque in the cockpit personalized for the customer and signed by the company’s principals, a special Signature One Hundred trim package and all available options, including a state-of-the-art navigation system and a hard top. Deliveries of the Tesla Roadster are expected to begin mid-2007."
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Sometimes I think Tesla should not have bothered with China so soon, definitely seems like more of a pain than it's worth.
FredTMC
Model S VIN #4925
thx. If I'm reading it right, he sold 1500 shares. Small potatoes
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Ummm. Yeah. Crazy
This transaction has no connection to the short time changes in SP. Accordidng to Note 1 on the referenced Form 4 Jerome exercised 1,500 vested options, and sold the corresponding shares according to the trading plan that was adopted back in February of 2015. The quantity of shares that he owns - 2,662 - did not change, i. e. he owned 2,662 shares before this transaction (after the previous 4/15/2015 transaction), and still owns the same 2,662 shares after this 5/11/2015 transaction. In addition to shares, quantity of options he owns after this 5/11/2015 transaction is actually higher than options he owned after the previous (4/15/205) transaction. The owned options changed from 4,162 (4/15/2015) to 9,893 (5/11/2015).
This transaction, as many others similar to this one, that I comment on periodically, have zero information for the short term trader. I would have thought that people would learn to read footnotes before posting by now.
Footnote 1 on the referenced Form 4:
Electrifying
Member
If you are referring to the risk of allowing Chinese copycats to reverse engineer Tesla's too soon, I cautiously agree. If not then I'd say it's pretty sensible for TM to enter the world's second largest luxury car market as early as possible. China is becoming a bigger market than US for Porsche
http://europe.autonews.com/article/...hina-may-pass-u.s.-as-porsches-largest-market . Actually that already happened for Porsche Cayenne, so Model X should sell very well in China.
In China the prices for Mercedes S or Audi A8 are normally 250% or more of that in US because of the tariff and exorbitant sales taxes and fat margins. Tesla's are priced much more reasonably. I am confident that in one year China's sales will be more than 25% of Tesla's total sales.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I'm not saying Tesla should never get into China, but maybe it should not have been this soon. Obviously they didn't understand the market and it's obviously not been going as planned. Plus they keep saying how they'd be fine even without China. I'm actually not that concerned with Chinese copycats, anyone wishing to do so simply needs to buy a Model S and import it into China if they wish to try and reverse engineer it. They can't get the cells so even if they copied it to a T it wouldn't be as compelling.
CyberDutchie
Active Member
In China at the moment... nice to see so many Tesla's on the road, and, to know my Chinese colleagues at work all are admirers of Tesla and know a lot about the company and products. Same in Hong Kong, btw.
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