Silly poll: Which will come first: Tesla Level 3 or Waymo wide release?

[DanCar]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738772717615427895

Quote: ... next year as Tesla aims for SAE Level 3-4 certification, ...

Same question from 3.5 years ago:

Poll: Waymo wide or Tesla level 3 first?

Who is going to be first? Waymo with wide deployment or Tesla with Level 3? There are no definitions given, so this is for grins and giggles. Poll closes after a week. Feel free to create a new one if it is an interesting question. Given that this is a Tesla forum I suspect the results will...

teslamotorsclub.com

 

[JulienW]

The poll has a hole big enough to fly a Starship through.

Tesla could apply for limited area/conditions regulatory approval for a limited ODD (kinda like Mercedes) tomorrow (well NOT actually tomorrow but....). So Tesla could have a L3 working system within a couple of months in limited areas/conditions.


Also what is a Waymo "wide release" defined as?

 

[DanCar]

Does it make sense that Tesla will not be liable in L3 because of insurance?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756425701333295406

 

[DanCar]

I wonder how TeslaScope concluded that L3 is the end goal of PSD V12?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756425041653510401

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756462523900166219

 

[Tiger]

Does it make sense that Tesla will not be liable in L3 because of insurance?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1756425701333295406

If FSD is as good or better than a human driver, insurance companies should be fine with it, or else Tesla Insurance will roll carpet for it. Supply and demand.

 

[DanCar]

If FSD is as good or better than a human driver, insurance companies should be fine with it, or else Tesla Insurance will roll carpet for it. Supply and demand.

The problem is that Tesla has deep pockets and a lawsuit could cost a billion. I'm in favor of legislation that would limit liability if it can be proven that use of self driving tech substantially saves lives overall. Even if looks like the car murdered someone. Case in point: the Cruise uproar.

 

[Tiger]

The problem is that Tesla has deep pockets and a lawsuit could cost a billion.

Same for all insurance companies. However, car insurances are well regulated.

The bigger question is when and by what definition is the car allowed to drive itself (without a "responsible driver" in place). For example take kids to school and hobbies etc.

 

[jabloomf1230]

You left off the answer, "neither".

 

[DanCar]

An insurance company is much different than a maker of product. Product liability laws are quite strong and favor those harmed. There is plenty of precedent with multi billion dollar awards. Phillip Morris was ordered to pay $28 billion dollars.

 

[Tiger]

An insurance company is much different than a maker of product. Product liability laws are quite strong and favor those harmed. There is plenty of precedent with multi billion dollar awards. Phillip Morris was ordered to pay $28 billion dollars.

It is unlikely that FSD will harm as many people as Tobacco, assuming it is on par with human skills. It should reduce the likelihood of injury or death, when released in autonomoous mode.

Insurance companies handle product liabilities too.

 

[johnm]

I'm curious what people would consider "Waymo wide." It would only take the 2100 largest US cities would cover right around 50% of people in the US. I am just not sure if that is wide enough to be called wide.

 

[rlsd]

First Waymo recall:

Waymo issues recall after two self-driving cars hit the same truck

Waymo says two of its cars collided with the same pickup truck that was being towed in an unusual orientation.

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