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Wow. This is the best interview I've heard yet on the Nevada situation.

audioBoom: 1/11 Hour 1 Bryan Miller, Senior VP of Public Policy Power Markets for Sunrun about the solar decision from PUC

I really really hope Bryan Miller (sunrun guy interviewed) gets as much air time as he can. He's a fantastic speaker and very sharp legal mind. All I can say is Nevada PUC/Sandavol are in for some tremendous hurt if this goes to court.
Thanks for the link! Well spoken and I didn't realize that Nevada had only had the net metering rules in effect for only 1 year prior to this new law. WOW, talk about bait-n-switch.

Wisconsin, as mentioned in the interview, went through something similar in late 2014.

On utilities and solar, Wisconsin goes its own way | Midwest Energy News

The Wisconsin rate cases were approved by two of the three PSC commissioners, both appointed by Gov. Scott Walker and with ties to the utility industry and powerful national conservative organizations.

Reversal in Wisconsin makes it even more interesting since they cited the lack of an independent study which is exactly what Nevada had and completely ignored.

The Court found that there was a lack of evidence in the record to support the Commission's decision. TASC and Renew argued that the Commission should have required an independent study of the costs and benefits of solar.

Independent Nevada study: http://puc.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/pucnvgov/Content/About/Media_Outreach/Announcements/Announcements/E3%20PUCN%20NEM%20Report%202014.pdf?pdf=Net-Metering-Study

Findings exerpt: New Nevada Study Shows Huge Upside to Installing Solar | SEIA
A new independent study prepared for the Nevada Public Utilities Commission estimates that the grid benefits of rooftop solar systems installed in the state through 2016 will outweigh costs by more than $36 million, confirming that solar energy can provide real savings for both solar and non-solar customers alike. According to San Francisco-based Energy + Environmental Economics (E3), the state’s net energy metering (NEM) program – which gives Nevada residents full credit on their energy bills for the clean electricity they deliver to the utility grid – has “no substantial cost shift to nonparticipants…given the current and proposed reforms to the program.” What’s more, accounting for the cost savings of avoided distribution upgrades, E3 estimates a net benefit of $166 million over the lifetime of solar systems installed through 2016.
 
SolarCity (and to an extent, even Tesla) have a lot to learn from Uber when it comes to throwing down with the establishment via grassroots campaigning and expert political warfare. I dislike many aspects of what they do as a company, but I have to admit they are really effective.

Uber pulled off a spectacular political coup and hardly anyone noticed

I feel it has nothing to do with lobbying efforts as much as alignment with what NV Energy/Berkshire Hathaway wants to happen in the state. It's weird how it circles back to nv energy and Berkshire, but it does.

Uber CEO To Tesla: Sell Me Half A Million Autonomous Electric Cars In 2020

Uber is going to push into autonomous electric vehicles in a big way, which the traditional taxi cab is not. With tesla and faraday making electric vehicles/batteries in the state as well, NV Energy sees a big demand for their centralized energy products because of it. Again, more electric cars means more electric charging ststions(which NV Energy will develop) and a significant need for more energy to charge these uber vehicles.

Also, when NV Energy goes into the next rate case, they can make an arguement for developing new nat gas plant(at gov't mandated 10.5% profit margin) to meet this forecasted demand, especially for what uber intends to bring to Las Vegas after the new casino policy of charging for parking. On demand uber car that is cheaper then driving your own car and paying the parking fee.

bottomline, uber fits the direction nv energy wants to go in Nevada. Complete control of all energy needs for the state. Centralized utiltiy for the 21st century Nevada, which does not included rooftop solar competition for that rate payer dollar. so, no matter what lobbying efforts rooftop makes, it's never going to fit this vision. Uber does.

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Thanks for the link! Well spoken and I didn't realize that Nevada had only had the net metering rules in effect for only 1 year prior to this new law. WOW, talk about bait-n-switch.

Wisconsin, as mentioned in the interview, went through something similar in late 2014.

On utilities and solar, Wisconsin goes its own way | Midwest Energy News



Reversal in Wisconsin makes it even more interesting since they cited the lack of an independent study which is exactly what Nevada had and completely ignored.



Independent Nevada study: http://puc.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/puc...CN NEM Report 2014.pdf?pdf=Net-Metering-Study

Findings exerpt: New Nevada Study Shows Huge Upside to Installing Solar | SEIA

I also feel Hawaii fits in this legal debate. Just as Wisconsin didn't consider the benefits along with the costs of net metering, neither did Hawaii when it ceased net metering. Even more so of a legal case in Hawaii because it was mandated by legislation and prior PUC decisions to do so. Hawaii is far from decided as well.

The good thing about all these legal matters around net metering is that rooftop solar is building a legal prescedent history that they can take into future legal battles. As this legal history accumulates, less and less future cases will be brought forward. The deterrent for future utiltiy actions becomes much greater as these cases are decided.

another big case that will add to this soon will be the anti-trust lawsuit against SRP in Arizona. Interested to see where this will go.
 
I feel it has nothing to do with lobbying efforts as much as alignment with what NV Energy/Berkshire Hathaway wants to happen in the state. It's weird how it circles back to nv energy and Berkshire, but it does.

Uber CEO To Tesla: Sell Me Half A Million Autonomous Electric Cars In 2020

Uber is going to push into autonomous electric vehicles in a big way, which the traditional taxi cab is not. With tesla and faraday making electric vehicles/batteries in the state as well, NV Energy sees a big demand for their centralized energy products because of it. Again, more electric cars means more electric charging ststions(which NV Energy will develop) and a significant need for more energy to charge these uber vehicles.

Also, when NV Energy goes into the next rate case, they can make an arguement for developing new nat gas plant(at gov't mandated 10.5% profit margin) to meet this forecasted demand, especially for what uber intends to bring to Las Vegas after the new casino policy of charging for parking. On demand uber car that is cheaper then driving your own car and paying the parking fee.

bottomline, uber fits the direction nv energy wants to go in Nevada. Complete control of all energy needs for the state. Centralized utiltiy for the 21st century Nevada, which does not included rooftop solar competition for that rate payer dollar. so, no matter what lobbying efforts rooftop makes, it's never going to fit this vision. Uber does.
I agree with everything you've said re: Uber in Nevada.

However, I wasn't thinking of lobbying as much as grassroots. Uber won concessions in many other US jurisdictions where various big interest groups are not necessarily aligned identically to those in Nevada. They are also using the same playbook in foreign countries with considerable success, despite the enormous resistance put up by the local taxi providers, who sometimes also deploy the anti-big-American-corporate-bully defense. It's true that in some jurisdictions Uber didn't get their way, at least not yet, but the general point is worth making, which is that sustained political pressure applied from a broad base from the bottom up can be very effective if you can pull it off. They know how to pull it off, and that's what I hope SolarCity learns how to do better (as well as Tesla, in support of their direct-sales model).
 
Video: Ralston Live:Anne-Marie Cuneo 1-14-16 | Watch Ralston Live Online | KNPB Channel 5 Video

Anne-Marie cuneo, the one that pushed through the new net metering scheme, stated that they've been discussing the new net metering scheme since July in the PUC staff. The funny thing is that is exactly when buffet signed the history breaking 3.8c/kWh ppa with first solar. She said this 100MW ppa changed everything since they can get solar now for 3.8c. It is funny since 100MW capacity is a fraction of the capacity thst makes up NV energy. This doesn't even register on the retail cost for delivering retail energy to rate payers, but yet it determines the price for rooftop solar net metering rates and cost shift? Not to mention, the contract is less then 6 months old and she has made this an essential input to determine a cost shift... Which she was already determining the moment the 100MW was signed.... Interesting. However, the best part is that the PUC was considering these net metering changes "as they would all rate reviews" while NV does a seminar promoting net metering at retail rates and even suggesting a payback on investment of 13 years or less on a $20k system.... This is very interesting as it indicated they had foreknowledge of massive net metering changes that would dramatically change payback on the same $20k investment.

Cuneo explicitly says says in the Jon ralston interview that it was all on the solar companies telling consumers they would have net metering, not nv energy or the PUC... Very interesting once you watch the nv energy net metering video and compare it to her statements... She is clearly demonstrating bias in her "independent" formulations of rate schemes... What she has stated is blatantly misleading the public on this state wide broadcasted PBS program.

This is is all public record and sure to be entered into a long list of evidence.

It can be argued that this 100mw contract was part of a greater coordinated strategy to set up a net metering scheme already predetermined, and also to attempt to discredit the 2014 independent net metering study that all parties(utiltiies, rooftop solar, and regulators) signed off on as legitimate. Since it is the only legal study on net metering to date, it is prudent business to discredit it before PUC makes a dramatic change.

This is just getting better every minute.

it is also of critical note to mention that even the PUC staff admits in public statements made at the hearing it didn't follow the directives of SB374 to come to its final decision on net metering, which is a clear and concise violation of the law they were supposed to enact.

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ha, the first solar deal isn't 3.8c/kWh... It has an escalator of 3% a year which makes the deal averages 5.2c/kWh over 20 years... and they are going for 2.6c/for rooftop solar wholesale rate?? This is utterly insanity on behalf of the puc... (And extremely deceptive marketing of the deal to the public) it won't even be in operation until 2017! Solarcity installs 100MWs in about 8 weeks now, so...

"NV Energy agreed to pay 3.87 cents a kilowatt-hour for power from First Solar’s Playa Solar 2 with a 3 percent a year escalating charge — which pencils out to about 5.2 cents over 20 years."
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In their first year of operation in 2017, the facilities would result in about $25 million in costs to ratepayers. But they would also replace $18 million worth of natural gas that the utility would have to buy if they were not built, resulting in a net cost to customers of $7 million.
 
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Has anyone else read this yet? It backs up what's been talked about in here on the storage situation and timeline.

How Much Does Storage Really Cost? Lazard Weighs In.

BTW I really do like RMI very much. I think they do some of the smartest thinking in this space. My earlier reaction was to Lazard, which I don't trust. But the whole key to batteries is how you use them to create multiple value streams.

Stacked use understood as simultaneous may not be absolutely essential. You could also do serial stacking. For example, when you repurpose an EV battery for bulk utility storage, you can get solid lifetime value. In the car, you value high density for optimal range and acceleration, but you might not cycle frequently enough to get full value out of the battery. In utility storage, a battery with 20% less energy density is not a problem, and you can work it several cycles per day using up the cycle life more completely. For example, I only do two 50% charging cycles per week. So that could last more than 20 years. If I want to upgrade to a much better battery (twice the density) in 10 years, then there is still a lot of life in my original battery.

But more generally for stacking we can ask several question about a battery in a particular situation:
1 How does this battery create value when it charges?
2 How does this battery create value when it usually discharges?
3 How does this battery create value by providing available kW capacity?
4 How does the battery add reliability to other system?

These questions tap into different value stream and avoid single use thinking. For example, let's consider a Powerwall integrated with solar.

1 The battery usually charges when there is surplus solar. If the utility pays below the cost of the solar power, then charging with surplus avoids being under paid by the utility.
2 Discharging when there is deficit solar power, avoids paying the utility to import power from the grid.
3 In potential aggregation to provide peak power to the grid, the utility may pay for available kW with an option to discharge the battery at times of peak power. Under this kind of deal, the utility may pay a certain amount per kW per month and a special tariff for peak draws per kWh.
4 The battery provides back up to the solar system so that it can be used during disruption of utility service. This backup value is roughly worth having a back up generator for storms.

When you put all this value streams together, you may be able to arrive at a compelling total benefit that exceeds the cost.

Questions 1 and 2 may seem like overkill on time shift value, but there really is more too it. Apply these questions to an EV battery. People usually ignore question one just thinking of charging purely as a cost. But their are opportunities to use EV charging to create value. For example, utilities have explored dispatchable charging solutions. Suppose you plug your car in and simply need 10 kWh sometime over the next 10 hours. The utility can send charging signals that vary the rate of charge depending on the net load on the gird. In this way the utility can combine baseload generation with aggregated EV charging to eliminate the need for peakers. This will come as EVS penetrate the car market. Currently EVS are under utilized by the grid. We really can get rid of peakers.
 
Wow. This is the best interview I've heard yet on the Nevada situation.

audioBoom: 1/11 Hour 1 Bryan Miller, Senior VP of Public Policy Power Markets for Sunrun about the solar decision from PUC

I really really hope Bryan Miller (sunrun guy interviewed) gets as much air time as he can. He's a fantastic speaker and very sharp legal mind. All I can say is Nevada PUC/Sandavol are in for some tremendous hurt if this goes to court.

Really wonderful. I particularly like how Miller frames this for politically conservative talk radio listeners. "State sponsored monopoly." "Anti-competition." "Solar Tax." "Government corruption." Etc.
 
Solar For Homeowners - YouTube

Ha, this is a net metering video made by NV Energy in July 2015 that is going to fry NV Energy in court. They promoted net metering, no mention of net metering changes and even suggest a payback period of 13 years for a $20k system. They also recommend talking to solar contractors(like Solarcity) for actual savings and costs.

bait and switch case is hard to deny.

Like I said before the intent is not to win, but to delay...

This is very interesting.

First, the video was clear that net energy metering was based on kWh not $ (as you have explained) and that one would only pay for KWHNet. The rates do not apply separately to KWHRecieved or KWHDelivered. So NV Energy has clearly changed this.

Second, NV Energy offered an incentive of $245/kW installed. This was offered so that NV Energy could could this solar system as part of it renewable portfolio and receive production credits for it. The consumer has no idea how much this is worth to NV Energy, but is happy to receive the incentive money to surrender this production credit. Do we know how this works? Might a jilted customer get this production credit back? Is their any way to nullify this credit? For example, could the federal government step in and require a certain standard of treatment for solar customers in order to continue to qualify for this production credit? Rescending NEM should should disqualify. This is bait and switch with the federal government.

Third, the presentation seems to cover all the cover all the impact this is supposed to have on your power bill from NV Energy, but it fails to mention a monthly solar fee. Do we know if there was one in effect at the time of this video? I suspect there was one that was about $16. If so, this is clearly a hidden cost from NV Energy. On your 4.5kW system, you got an $1102.50 incentive, but in 69 months you'll pay that back to NV Energy and keep paying it until the end of time. This is very deceptive.

Thanks for digging into this stuff, Foghat.
 
@jhm, are you saying that NV Energy is getting Renewable Energy Credits from NEM customers that they could sell?

I'm not sure exactly. Just picking this off from the video. It is in regards to the Renewable Portfolio Standard. Nevada has a requirement of 25% of power from nonhydro renewables.

For basic info, Renewable portfolio standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We should probably investigate this. NV Energy's study ignored the benefits of distributed solar. So it is possible that they even ignored RPS compliance benefits.

It seemed clear in the video that the reason why NV Energy wanted customers to consider solar and sign up for interconnection was so they could get the regulatory benefit.

They are also pushing their energy efficiency incentives for LED lights and pool pumps against the good sense of the PUC. It may be that they are trying to secure other regulatory benefits with that, especially in light of driving out solar as a source of regulatory benefits. That is, I suspect that solar was providing additional compliance benefits possibly distinct from RPS that they have to make up even with the ridiculousness of subsidizing LED lights which people just buy anyway.

Let's keep digging.
 
I'm not sure exactly. Just picking this off from the video. It is in regards to the Renewable Portfolio Standard. Nevada has a requirement of 25% of power from nonhydro renewables.

For basic info, Renewable portfolio standard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We should probably investigate this. NV Energy's study ignored the benefits of distributed solar. So it is possible that they even ignored RPS compliance benefits.

It seemed clear in the video that the reason why NV Energy wanted customers to consider solar and sign up for interconnection was so they could get the regulatory benefit.

They are also pushing their energy efficiency incentives for LED lights and pool pumps against the good sense of the PUC. It may be that they are trying to secure other regulatory benefits with that, especially in light of driving out solar as a source of regulatory benefits. That is, I suspect that solar was providing additional compliance benefits possibly distinct from RPS that they have to make up even with the ridiculousness of subsidizing LED lights which people just buy anyway.

Let's keep digging.
"utilities either generate the renewable energy themselves or purchase RECs equal to the percentage of their energy sales needed to meet their state’s standard."

I think Nevada could be in violation of RPS for overinflating RECs. If they are claiming retail price for the rooftop solar RECs under previous net metering rules, but now are actually paying less in energy sales due to the new metering scheme, they are essentially cooking the books and now the federal government can step in to correct that.
 
"utilities either generate the renewable energy themselves or purchase RECs equal to the percentage of their energy sales needed to meet their state’s standard."

I think Nevada could be in violation of RPS for overinflating RECs. If they are claiming retail price for the rooftop solar RECs under previous net metering rules, but now are actually paying less in energy sales due to the new metering scheme, they are essentially cooking the books and now the federal government can step in to correct that.

This is looking lIke a stronger fraud case. To get the NV Energy incentive the solar customer signs a document transferring the credits to the utility. They were sold for a mere $245/kW installed. So this sounds like a contract to me, but I am not a lawyer. So if this was transacted under agreed upon assumptions regarding NEM and no hidden fees, this is all the utility is entitled to regardless of what the PUC says. No one in their right mind would sign a contract transferring assets for $1100 but giving the counter party to recover unspecified monthly payments over the next 20 months. This is essentially a blank check. So this goes to the question of whether the utility offered the incentive in good faith.

Do we know how close NV Energy is to their 25% renewable target without net metering? This is important to know, because the bigger the gap, the more leverage NEM customers have. Is it possible to deprive NVE RECs by deploying batteries? If so, then aside from legal arguments, there is an opportunity to negotiate better rates. So we need.to know what those RECs are worth to NVE. Perhaps the answer is simply the cost of utility solar. But still, NVE could be taking credit for distributed solar which allows them to generate three times as much fossil energy. So removing distributed solar does shift the mix of fossils in generation.
 

This is good. The utilities should be competing on price. But I find the following disingenuous.

Not surprisingly, Izzo sees it differently, saying utilities can provide energy-saving measures, as well as renewable-power systems, on a “universal” basis, without the extensive government tax incentives and policies designed to promote green energy.

The utilities get the same ITC and REC incentives that distributed solar does, plus they get a ton more in other areas. So this definitely pot calling the kettle.

It's all well for utilities to offer energy efficiency incentives, but this alone is not sufficient to be price competitive. I wonder if there are hidden conditions in these incentives that are aimed to block doing business with solar installers.
 
BREAKING: Supreme Court upholds FERC Order 745 | Utility Dive

This is a massive win for Solarcity and its developing aggregation efforts. The groundwork is solidified for its evolution to solar+storage product integration with the grid through wholesale markets.

Like I've said before, eventually all net metering past and present will migrate toward this aggregation market and Solarcity will be right at the center with its interoperability standard as "the standard" for all systems connected to the grid as such.
 
I'm trying to understand the "net metering" debate.

My understanding is that most solar customers are still connected to their utility grid.

During the day, when the solar panels are most active, the panels may generate more energy than the customer uses, resulting in energy being fed back into the grid. At night, the customer draws energy from the grid. So if a customer's house used 80 units of energy during the day, and the solar panels generated 100 units of energy, 20 units are put into the grid. If the customer uses 50 units of energy at night, their "net" use for the total 24 hour period is only 30 units.

The issue is how utilities should compensate customers for the energy they put back into the grid (the 20 units in the above example).

Some utilities argue that they should not have to rebate to the customer the full retail rate of the energy put back into the grid, because the utility has to pay for infrastructure costs like transmission lines and transformers.

Solar companies and some other utilities raise the argument that distributed solar actually benefits the utilities, because the utilities do not have to build out heftier transmission infrastructure in order to meet increasing demand. Solar putting energy into the grid also lessens strain on the grid during high use scenarios, like a heat wave.

Will the whole debate be moot if stationary storage becomes commonplace with solar systems? In this case, spare energy is put into a battery rather than back out into the grid. The net metering calculation would therefore no longer be necessary.
 
I'm trying to understand the "net metering" debate.

My understanding is that most solar customers are still connected to their utility grid.

During the day, when the solar panels are most active, the panels may generate more energy than the customer uses, resulting in energy being fed back into the grid. At night, the customer draws energy from the grid. So if a customer's house used 80 units of energy during the day, and the solar panels generated 100 units of energy, 20 units are put into the grid. If the customer uses 50 units of energy at night, their "net" use for the total 24 hour period is only 30 units.

The issue is how utilities should compensate customers for the energy they put back into the grid (the 20 units in the above example).

Some utilities argue that they should not have to rebate to the customer the full retail rate of the energy put back into the grid, because the utility has to pay for infrastructure costs like transmission lines and transformers.

Solar companies and some other utilities raise the argument that distributed solar actually benefits the utilities, because the utilities do not have to build out heftier transmission infrastructure in order to meet increasing demand. Solar putting energy into the grid also lessens strain on the grid during high use scenarios, like a heat wave.

Will the whole debate be moot if stationary storage becomes commonplace with solar systems? In this case, spare energy is put into a battery rather than back out into the grid. The net metering calculation would therefore no longer be necessary.


Yes, net metering evolves as the solar tech evolves. However, the only way to get to innovation of our energy system is to enable competition to occur. American energy is mostly regional/national monopoly where barriers to new entrants are extremely high. As a result, our energy infrastructure has minimally innovated over the past 80-100 years. By enabling new entrants to access the grid and consumers(rooftop solar), a new market has emerged ushering unheard of innovation and drastic cost compression momentum within the system. Naturally, to break the monopoly strong hold on this system does not make affected utiltiies happy and fight such market enabling policies such as the ITC and net metering.

However, the results are clear, such market enabling policies allow for a better consumer product and experience for all "rate payers." As I've said before, net metering gives a valuation to delivered solar which would never have been allowed under monopoly barrier to entry established over past century. Now, as we learn and develop valuation models of distributed energy resources such as rooftop solar+batteries, that value is actually increasing and net metering begins to give way to better value mechanisms such as solar+battery system for ancillary grid services... As with any healthy market, when a better product arrives to compete with inferior iterations, the consumer migrates to that better product. If allowed to naturally run its course, net metering customers will migrate to that next iteration (solar+battery-ancillary grid services model) because it just makes compelling economic sense.

Now as these technologies and markets mature, government incentives retract. The truly amazing thing is that as we transitional to this new energy infrastructure of minimized incentives, so to do we reduce the in perpetuity fossil fuel subsidies that have been imbedded within our tax code for decades. Our country saves billions annually and trillions over decades. A massive massive tax burden lifted off of the American tax payer and injected into the economy through new consumer spending power...
 
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Yes, net metering evolves as the solar tech evolves. However, the only way to get to innovation of our energy system is to enable competition to occur. American energy is mostly regional/national monopoly where barriers to new entrants are extremely high. As a result, our energy infrastructure has minimally innovated over the past 80-100 years. By enabling new entrants to access the grid and consumers(rooftop solar), a new market has emerged ushering unheard of innovation and drastic cost compression momentum within the system. Naturally, to break the monopoly strong hold on this system does not make affected utiltiies happy and fight such market enabling policies such as the ITC and net metering.However, the results are clear, such market enabling policies allow for a better consumer product and experience for all "rate payers." As I've said before, net metering gives a valuation to delivered solar which would never have been allowed under monopoly barrier to entry established over past century. Now, as we learn and develop valuation models of distributed energy resources such as rooftop solar+batteries, that value is actually increasing and net metering begins to give way to better value mechanisms such as solar+battery system for ancillary grid services... As with any healthy market, when a better product arrives to compete with inferior iterations, the consumer migrates to that better product. If allowed to naturally run its course, net metering customers will migrate to that next iteration (solar+battery-ancillary grid services model) because it just makes compelling economic sense.Now as these technologies and markets mature, government incentives retract. The truly amazing thing is that as we transitional to this new energy infrastructure of minimized incentives, so to do we reduce the in perpetuity fossil fuel subsidies that have been imbedded within our tax code for decades. Our country saves billions annually and trillions over decades. A massive massive tax burden lifted off of the American tax payer and injected into the economy through new consumer spending power...
Now NV Energy says 20 year grandfathering is okay, wants PUC to change that order to be fair to all rate payers... Am I going crazy here or is that "fairness" the exact reason the PUC instated non grandfathering in the first place? Flip flop is not even close to a way of describing this bumbling hypocrisy of a situation.This thing is a complete mess for Nevada, a complete embarrassment for the state. I wonder what Anne Marie cuneo thinks of going on record on a PBS show now? She emphatically stated her engineers and economists thoroughly vet the NV Energy numbers and in her independent opinion, concluded grandfathering is unreasonable and unfair to nv energy rate payers... Wow.... And now NV Energy itself is saying grandfathering is fair based on the same numbers... If the Feds or the Nevada attorney general don't get involved in this I would be thoroughly shocked.

im also curious to how much interaction the PUC and elected representatives had with hedge fund managers in the months leading up to this decision? It was a distinct revelation that Jim chanos specifically named Solarcity as a prime short in the early fall on the basis Solarcity was a "subprime lender" that will see rampant "defaults" on their leases/ppas. Huh, why all the sudden would you put a big bet on this premise when knowing the average fico score was 750 and over 99% of all payments have been received by the company since its inception a decade ago? I am extremely curious as to who what when the PUC commision /anyone in the Nevada government(including Berkshire &Nv energy) with decision making power had any contact or business with anything chanos. It would be something if anyone involved in this Nevada situation had a short position over the past 3-4 months...
 
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