DJRas
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They could limit you to 80 miles and restrict charging 50kW then the battery will last very long. But it would be completely unusable for me.
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Wiki Sudden Loss Of Range With 2019.16.x Software
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Your post started a bit strong by saying "you do not understand". I was taken back by it. Even more now that you say you have read ALL the posts! You must have skipped mine.
Please read my post one more time, it starts with an IF qualifier:
"If these batteries were not safe and that forced Tesla to cap the capacity in order to avoid further hazard I definitely do not want to take back the range loss and live with a unsafe battery just because of the public pressure. If the batteries are unsafe with the pre-update range they need to be replaced under warranty."
Then why you "thought they were unusual statements to make given the situation"? What's unusual about it? What's the situation?
Do you prefer your range back but ride on an unsafe Li-Plated battery (IF that's the case, and there is a good chance your 4 years old battery might have developed that nasty condition) because of the owners' pressure on Tesla to do so?
BTW, sucking eggs is not good for your teeth
All cool. We'll move on now.
As many users here are curious about further Tesla actions on this subject, a brief summary of their actions up to now (anagram puzzles seem to be new standard here?
Action X: Makes battery less prone to fires (from excess delithiation or puncture/deformation), helps to prevent Li-plating and fast cathode degradation.
Disadvantages: For the battery none, but user has less range.
Action Y: Helps to prevent Li-plating.
Disadvantages: For the battery none, but user has to wait longer at SuCs.
Action Z: Prevents Li-plating at higher charging rates.
Disadvantages: Cathode degradation is accelerated, the user sees higher consumption/energy costs
So the riddle: Which of the actions, do you guess, Tesla will take back/lower in the future?
I'm a bit conflicted on these choices (leaning on X). Plus, we have been tortured enough. Give us your answer already
I want to buy a used Model S.
Is there a way to tell what vehicles could have this problem?
All 85’s? Some or all years?
Do some 70’s have “85 type” batteries that could also be affected??
Any reports of problems with 90 or 75 batteries?
DJRas
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They sort of are at some Superchargers.
Like Glendale Galaria. When you plug in ut says it is limiting you to 80%.
You CAN override that (at least when it isn't busy).
Also 80% of 228 is 182... so even more severe for trips.
Some people take care of things they own like batteries.
They charge at home most of the time on a level 2 charger and keep the charge rate between 20 - 80% as much as possible.
Others charge at SuperChargers as much as possible, want the fastest charge speed possible and shorten the life of the battery.
Sean Mitchell has a good video on him doing just that and ruining his battery.
If Tesla is making any adjustments to their BMS to make the batteries safer and ensure a long life then I am OK with it. Older Tesla's have older battery technology. They have learned a lot over the past 10 years.
Safety and reliability come first.
They charge at home most of the time on a level 2 charger and keep the charge rate between 20 - 80% as much as possible.
Others charge at SuperChargers as much as possible, want the fastest charge speed possible and shorten the life of the battery.
Sean Mitchell has a good video on him doing just that and ruining his battery.
If Tesla is making any adjustments to their BMS to make the batteries safer and ensure a long life then I am OK with it. Older Tesla's have older battery technology. They have learned a lot over the past 10 years.
Safety and reliability come first.
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Ferrycraigs
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Thank you for your views. I don’t remember ever stating anything as a fact that I could not support. I'm pretty sure I qualified all of my views with a 'may' or 'I think', clearly showing, I thought, that they were my views rather than fact. Perhaps you don’t think they are investigating Li Plating and Dendrite growth. I guess that would be your opinion. And of course you may be right.
And I hope no-one confuses newcomer with someone that has been a member on here for many years but has kept his views to himself. Seems that was a good idea.
OK, I was trying to help someone I mistakenly thought was worrying, I got it wrong, I apologised, lesson learnt. Moving on seems good advice, which I am going to take. I may spend the next 3 years just watching.
I do agree a summary would be helpful.
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You are quoting the specs of the E-Golf.
Yup, and the current rate, a bunch of us will be there too
A newcomer to the thread making comments, not sitting there and watching. That's how I read the comment made by @Julienx2k2.
I certainly hope not. That's a long time to watch something
Ferrycraigs
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That's a long time to watch something
Ha! It is. I confess I normally just dip in and out of TMC. My national forum is full of people posting opinion and guesswork as fact. If I want to find facts, it’s rarely the place to find them. In the absence of anything from Tesla, I have relied almost entirely on the very helpful and knowledgable information and explanations on here. I am much less worried than I was. I just need to stop making an ar5e of myself trying to help experts!
Watching can be better than it sounds.
Ferrycraigs
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It does. That’s why I’m here. Curiously I am a rare Supercharger, an almost never 100%er, and a regular 20%-80% operator. So I’m still a bit confused as to Why Me? I thought I was treating my battery even more carefully than Tesla recommended. My suspicion is the car can’t differentiate between low level DC charging (CHAdeMO at approx 38kWs) and high level DC charging (Supercharging up to high 90s kW).
Ferrycraigs
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Pre facelift S70, 53,000 miles, range loss on Typical is 216 to 192. Capacity dropped overnight from 68.5kWh to 58.2kWh, but has remained pretty steady since then. Vampire Drain drifts erratically from 1%-4%. % Consumption varies dramatically, and erratically. Difficult to forecast SoC for journey.
My charging history over past 3 years is approx:
Low DC (CHAdeMO) 80%
Fast DC (Supercharging) 15%
AC 5%
In my opinion it makes a huge difference, if it’s done for safety, or longevity. If it’s done for safety, then it’s really just a different form of degradation. And with an EV you need to expect degradation within the limits of warranty.
If it’s done for longevity, then it’s not ok. If you want longevity you can charge your car always to 70%, which has more impact than their smaller limit. But you don’t have to. And since it’s your car, Tesla can’t force you to have a long lasting battery.
This is different than the Apple thing. The judge agreed, that a customer can’t expect the battery to last longer than a year. And the phone would go back to normal operation with a battery replacement. But that doesn’t apply to the Model S battery.
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