I have a Nissan LEAF also parked in my garage and it's rather tight. I've given up on trying to summon the Model S out. It consistently starts turning towards the LEAF and would collide on the side if I let it go(it's come within <1 inch before I stopped it before). I do occasionally find summon useful, but usually only for adjusting my parking position after the fact when parallel parked.
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Summon Danger
- Thread starter Fergieone
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We are going to name our next child Beta so they can't be blamed for anything and will have no responsibility for anything
Kant.Ing
Member
When you have a more expensive car next to the beta one, you will never want to use the beta feature.
So, I would say operating a motor vehicle at highway speeds is a critical and a potentially life or death situation (considering how many people die doing it every year). Autosteer being in Beta is an interesting case, since if you use it, you are always using it in a critical situation.
Is there a way to paint a space or (remember reading this years ago) laser direct the car so summon is more reliable? I have a tight garage for two Teslas as in 8 inch clearance on sides and in between cars. I thought if I set the garage up just right, I could summon cars in out reliably. Anyone had success that way?
whitex
Well-Known Member
I think if you surround the car with walls perfectly parallel to the car, all flat and with no gaps, and covered by sheet metal or something else that bounces ultrasound well, you should be good. Summon uses ultrasonic parking sensors to avoid obstacles, so as long as each ultrasonic sensor has accurate distance to wall (and the distance is constant for the whole car, hence the parallel and no gaps requirement) it should not hit anything, unless it hits a bug in a software or some ultrasonic interference. The walls don't even have to extend above window level as the sensors are below. Hey, product idea, Tesla "summon parking-pen" - 3 portable walls to deploy around your Tesla for summon.
I think if you surround the car with walls perfectly parallel to the car, all flat and with no gaps, and covered by sheet metal or something else that bounces ultrasound well, you should be good. Summon uses ultrasonic parking sensors to avoid obstacles, so as long as each ultrasonic sensor has accurate distance to wall (and the distance is constant for the whole car, hence the parallel and no gaps requirement) it should not hit anything, unless it hits a bug in a software or some ultrasonic interference. The walls don't even have to extend above window level as the sensors are below. Hey, product idea, Tesla "summon parking-pen" - 3 portable walls to deploy around your Tesla for summon.
So basically a tunnel?
whitex
Well-Known Member
Only if you want to park underground.So basically a tunnel?
EDIT: Also, need square walls, circular walls almost guarantee summon hitting them.
K-MTG
Sunshade Captain of TMC
I had to cancel summon on a few occasions...I only use it when its fully centered. I also have a narrow garage opening.
RogerHScott
Active Member
That's not the granularity I'm talking about. I'm talking about what could be salvaged from the "core" of each individual beta feature -- if anything.
Canuck
Well-Known Member
whitex
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure I get what you mean, something like you can press the AP stalk but it doesn't do anything, as in the mechanical functionality of pressing it is non-beta but the rest of it, like automatic steering/acceleration/braking is beta? Not sure how else you would split a feature into beta and non-beta parts. How about summon, hitting the button non-beta, flashing lights non-beta, actually moving the car beta?
RogerHScott
Active Member
You're too focused on hardware here. Think about AutoPilot: Tesla's position is that it works (albeit in that beta-y way) on divided highways, but you are free to try to use it under a broader range of circumstances. They could claim that it only works on divided highways, during daylight hours, when it is neither raining nor snowing (, etc.) and then be able to make a stronger (perhaps even non-beta-y) claim about how well it works under those restricted conditions, but they don't. They use (from my cynical perspective) the fact that there exist circumstances where it can't reasonably be expected to work as an excuse for not promising it works under any circumstances. For summon they could tune it so if it has any doubt about the car's position relative to nearby obstacles it just gives up and stops, but that would make it appear less impressive.
We have summoned our MX out of the garage for over 200 times now without any problem. I know for many people, summon is a novelty, but for us it is a lifestyle! Maybe some day it will hit the garage opening, and then we will hate it, but not yet. But someone has to beta test it right? Might as well be us. We do have AP2.5, so that has improvement over AP1 on summoning.
Maybe some day it will hit the garage opening, and then we will hate it, but not yet. But someone has to beta test it right? Might as well be us. We do have AP2.5, so that has improvement over AP1 on summoning.
Joe F
Disruption is hard.
Narrow, cinder block wall garage. No problem with summon other than a few false starts on egress at the threshold and/or a 3/4 inch lip, or recently with 2018.12 when the car went brain dead a few times needing a reboot when nothing worked. I've not used it since as, when centered, and it's dead, it's tough to open the door without hitting the wall to get in, so I've been pulling in on an angle, blocking a rear external door, just to be able to exit the car. Actually faster as summon is so slow.
RogerHScott
Active Member
I'd be more enthusiastic about being a beta tester if there were the slightest indication that Tesla was listening to feedback and, crucially, acting on it.We have summoned our MX out of the garage for over 200 times now without any problem. I know for many people, summon is a novelty, but for us it is a lifestyle!
We have summoned our MX out of the garage for over 200 times now without any problem. I know for many people, summon is a novelty, but for us it is a lifestyle!
This is the first I am hearing of summon improvements in AP 2.5. Could you please elaborate?
arubinst
Member
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think that unfortunately, the cameras would not be able to estimate distance to walls and objects in sight. So they would be kind of useless in this scenario.
