Well this thread has become passionate...
Electricity is relatively cheap here (between 11c (western Washington) and 3c (central Washington, aka Bitcoin miner central Wenatchee), correct. Not all electricity in WA state is clean though.
This was my earlier point made even clearer. Tesla REALLY needs to learn how to communicate with their customers and understand them better. This may appear as whining to some, and I actually agree that supercharging should be net even in terms of cost/return. HOWEVER, the world is a changing. With the advent of urban chargers it is COMPLETELY EXPECTED that some owners will be dependent on urban chargers for a significant portion of time. Again, forget the long distance for a minute... 3 owners do not necessarily have the at home charging infrastructure and a lot of condos and apartments do not either. Tesla knows and expects this - this is why urban chargers exist. Ok, so now we have the situation where, empirically Tesla had changed the fuel cost (arbitrarily and without notice) by 30-120% overnight. That is NOT OK. I / we may be tolerant and expect nothing better, though Tesla have to hold themselves’ to a higher standard of communication. Enough with the amateur hour and relying on Service Centers and customer-evangelists to correct perceptions here. That’s the point: LEARN HOW TO RESPECT AND COMMUNICATE TO YOUR CUSTOMERS. It costs nearly nothing and is invaluable.
See earlier point. This is not just about supercharging fir long distance travel. This is about how to communicate to a new type of user.
Edit: I did not pay @Fred Thompson to create the next post.
No doubt, it is still very early in the adoption stage. I'll happily pay .15 or .24 per kWh for my Model 3 to charge when needed (I have 6 100amp HPWC's at my home and two of my businesses combined) but I do think it would be a shame for someone who had just crunched the numbers enough to make a Model 3 with supercharging work and then they back out due to the 60% fuel rate increase we just took.
Partly. It’s that Tesla helps create mountains out of molehills due to their lack of proactive, or heck even reactive, communication. This is another case point example. It is easily defensible when explained. It won’t make everyone happy, though would be better than today.
They can't really charge per kWh in TX, because of utility laws, but they are about $0.40/kWh here once you do the nominal 32A draw to price per 30 sec of charging. ((Well it's actually $0.80/kWh if you don't sign up for an account.)) That's the effective rate at DC Fast, as well, if you limit your charging to the fast portion of your battery. Because it is time based, the price gets a lot worse as the charging tappers toward the end.
We could likely even narrow this down to a few thousand... arm the owners who evangelise your product, so they can help educate.
Do we even know the ratio of S and X owners that actually have to pay per charge? Seems to really only affect Model 3 folks.
That's still like putting gas in a 40mpg car cost wise worst case scenario.
Plus all current Model 3 owners.
