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Supercharger V3 unveiling in Fremont
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Silicon Desert
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I think some folks miss Mike's point. While driving slower might be ok for some people, this won't work for me. For my personal taste, (by having driven coast to coast more than 4 times), I prefer to get to the next stop faster so I can spend more time OUT OF THE CAR to exercise, eat, bathroom break, and other things. Driving slower just means more time sitting in the car and having to focus on driving. Not good for us older folks. In practically every situation where I have driven for over 3 hour and then needed to stop to charge, I was taking 30-40 minutes to do things away from the car and didn't mind that it took that long to get to 80% plus. Some times I want 90% to get to the next station, AND get there at the speed limit of 80 mph.
There is the rare occasion where I stop just to charge and then keep moving, so it might be nice to save a few minutes to get a faster 75 miles or so of charge. but I am usually not at the charger very long anyway. So what I am getting to here is that for me, I don't care about the V3 right now. In fact, if it charges my car that fast and I have no control over reducing the rate, then I might spend more time at a charger by going back out to the car to move it away from the charger to avoid idle fees, only to go back inside an establishment to do other things.
Eno Deb
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I'll never understand this. I want to get to my destination. With my former ICE cars, I have driven many times from the Bay Area to LA with just one 10-minute break and another 5-minute pitstop to pick up a coffee to go. Those 45 minute supercharging sessions since I have my Model 3 always feel endless and annoying to me.
Silicon Desert
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yup, that is my understanding when I was out at the gf yesterday. I understand no V2s are being retrofitted. V3 being added to new installation. However, just hear-say. I was more focused on feeding my face ;-)
Daniel in SD
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I think they should allow people who want to use crowded superchargers as parking spots or trickle chargers to do so as long as they pay the idle fees. That should help raise funds for expanding the supercharger network. Hopefully their algorithm for determining which superchargers are crowded works well.I think some folks miss Mike's point. While driving slower might be ok for some people, this won't work for me. For my personal taste, (by having driven coast to coast more than 4 times), I prefer to get to the next stop faster so I can spend more time OUT OF THE CAR to exercise, eat, bathroom break, and other things. Driving slower just means more time sitting in the car and having to focus on driving. Not good for us older folks. In practically every situation where I have driven for over 3 hour and then needed to stop to charge, I was taking 30-40 minutes to do things away from the car and didn't mind that it took that long to get to 80% plus. Some times I want 90% to get to the next station, AND get there at the speed limit of 80 mph.
There is the rare occasion where I stop just to charge and then keep moving, so it might be nice to save a few minutes to get a faster 75 miles or so of charge. but I am usually not at the charger very long anyway. So what I am getting to here is that for me, I don't care about the V3 right now. In fact, if it charges my car that fast and I have no control over reducing the rate, then I might spend more time at a charger by going back out to the car to move it away from the charger to avoid idle fees, only to go back inside an establishment to do other things.
80mph is surely the maximum speed limit and not the lower limit, so slowing to just 75mph would allow you to make it to the next supercharger with an 80% charge instead of 90%.
I doubt V3 supercharging being too fast is something we'll have to worry about too soon. Who knows how they're going to deploy them.
Silicon Desert
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nope. I am with you on that. If you saw my other post, the V2 superchargers are more often TOO FAST for me on long trips. I often have to go out to move the car in the middle of my lunch or dinner to avoid idle fees after it finishes charging. However, I do understand there are a large number of people that will like this and benefit from it.
Silicon Desert
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Right about 80 being the max. That is the northern I80 and 70 route I usually take. But no, travelling at 75 is no benefit for me. I've tried it. As I mentioned, the car can still get to 90% before I am ready to leave anyway, so it is no extra wasted time to me. Obviously different folks like different experiences and driving styles
SammichLover
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I kinda wish they switched all SC to per minute pricing. Let the people that have a strong use for >80% charge still have access, while still discouraging it in a non-prohibitive way.
SammichLover
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That gap between the new curve and the old curve from 50% up to about 80% is huge in terms of how long it takes to charge. Maintaining 100kW until 64% is a very meaningful number of minutes shaved off of the charge time, just by itself. Why I had only expected about 5 min of savings rather than the near 10 min we're likely to see.
I’m sure they didn’t have the charging fees active for this event. I don’t see them inviting people and then charging them money to charge. So more than likely that amount you see there was from a previous charge session the owner did, even though it says current session above.
Also if you look in the FAQ of the supercharge page on Tesla’s web it says pricing will remain the same.
SammichLover
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They state it as "PPU". I assume that is pricing per unit, and refers to kWh. Surely it won't have the same pricing per minute when V3 eventually gets rolled out to a per minute state.
SageBrush
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It might, if batteries curtail demand charging. If not I expect another tier, say 150 - 250 kW
Silicon Desert
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A good point eno. I agree if making the same 7 hour trip you refer. What I am talking about is when I am taking a multi-day trip coast to coast and in the car for 8-9 hours every day, then it gets very tiring if I don't take long breaks at a charging stop. Maybe that is why you are not understanding it
Maybe you are a bit younger than me. I don't like those 10 minute pee and go trips. I get there too tired. When I was a lot younger, I would do that.Bottom line, I have noticed that at the end of a long day of driving, I am not anywhere near as tired when I have taken those long breaks after every 3-4 hours of driving. It adds up when on the road every day for a long trip. I may not be able to travel as many miles in a day, but I am ok with that. I enjoy the trip more. I understand that some folks want to get there as quickly as possible with as short stops as they can. I'm just not the drink, pee and go type.
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SammichLover
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I do find the left side of this graph for V2 unusual, though. My experience is being at >=115kW long before SOC the level they show there, more like by the 10%-12% point.
You will appreciate them when you're older. When I was 50 I felt the same way. Now at 68 I really appreciate these forced stops. Stops me from getting so stiff in the driving position that it can be difficult to get out. During my trips westbound my car tells me to slow down to make my destination without having to charge; pfffft.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
Stiff or not, I get out to stretch and walk around for 5 minuts every 2-3 hours. As a physician I have seen too many pulmonary embolii in people that do not.
Silicon Desert
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amen. You get it. I'm 69. Maybe we are just old Reno folks
and those young whipper snappers can do it.
SammichLover
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It isn't a bad thing at all, for that and other reasons. CDL truck drivers are required by law to get out to check load & vehicle by whichever comes first, 150 miles or 3 hours.
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