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Supercharger - Vancouver, WA
- Thread starter iwannam3
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Deep pocketed? Not me. However I did buy some yogurts and Girl Scout cookies yesterday at lynnwood. If it wasn’t for that supercharger Fred Meyer’s and Girl Scouts would’ve missed out on $10 each from me
I'm among the poorer Model S owners too, but I doubt there are too many Tesla owners on food stamps.
Further info from the power utility:
Tesla was not required to do any sub metering by the PUD; unfortunately I do not have insight into the agreement between Fred Meyer and Tesla. I do know one of those two organizations was required to pay for the infrastructure upgrades in order to provide enough electricity for the fast chargers.
· Commercial and Industrial rates have a lower kWh charge than residential, that is true.
o Residential Rate $0.0816 per kWh
o C&I Rate $0.077 to $0.0438 per kWh (depending on load size, time of year, et al)
o C&I Demand Rate $5.94 to $6.77 per kW (depending on point of delivery)
o Current Electric and Water Rates - Clark Public Utilities
· Yes, we have power factor charges for large commercial and industrial customers.
· AC-to-DC conversion does play a factor in power factors and generally makes it worse off.
· Commercial and industrial accounts have several rate schedules depending on their load profile.
I just spoke with our attorney again and he explained we evaluate these situations on a case-by-case basis and because the state of Washington has a general policy of encouraging the adoption of EV’s we’ve chosen to not create a policy around the chargers.
Tesla was not required to do any sub metering by the PUD; unfortunately I do not have insight into the agreement between Fred Meyer and Tesla. I do know one of those two organizations was required to pay for the infrastructure upgrades in order to provide enough electricity for the fast chargers.
· Commercial and Industrial rates have a lower kWh charge than residential, that is true.
o Residential Rate $0.0816 per kWh
o C&I Rate $0.077 to $0.0438 per kWh (depending on load size, time of year, et al)
o C&I Demand Rate $5.94 to $6.77 per kW (depending on point of delivery)
o Current Electric and Water Rates - Clark Public Utilities
· Yes, we have power factor charges for large commercial and industrial customers.
· AC-to-DC conversion does play a factor in power factors and generally makes it worse off.
· Commercial and industrial accounts have several rate schedules depending on their load profile.
I just spoke with our attorney again and he explained we evaluate these situations on a case-by-case basis and because the state of Washington has a general policy of encouraging the adoption of EV’s we’ve chosen to not create a policy around the chargers.
So if we use the average demand rate, and assume that the station gets "full" at least once a month that they are paying $4,575.60/month in just demand charges.
ibdb
Any excuse for a road trip
Stopped here over the weekend. Be careful of shopping carts. We arrived to find two charging spots blocked by carts that people had just left rather than return to the store or to a cart return. It also seemed like the slope of the parking lot could lead to runaway carts heading right for one wing of the charging setup (it's an L-shaped setup for those who haven't visited).
I recently watched someone elsewhere leave a cart behind their car unattended, only to have their the cart start rolling, bouncing off three cars before coming to a stop, I yelled a few choice phrases across the lot to try to get their attention, but they were oblivious and acted as though nothing at all had happened before getting in their car and driving away.
I recently watched someone elsewhere leave a cart behind their car unattended, only to have their the cart start rolling, bouncing off three cars before coming to a stop, I yelled a few choice phrases across the lot to try to get their attention, but they were oblivious and acted as though nothing at all had happened before getting in their car and driving away.
rpo
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HEADS UP THIS SUPERCHARGER IS CLOSED CURRENTLY. Completely blocked by construction crews who are digging all over the parking lot 2nd time this has happened to me in two days at different superchargers. I'm stranded along with some others who cannot reach the next charger. Plan ahead. Tesla had no clue. The construction company had told a few owners to go F themselves.
rpo
Member
Completely unrelated. They are repaving the parking lot, but as per Fred Meyer, the construction crews were required to keep half the chargers available. Instead they blocked them all with their vehicles and threatened to tow me when I tried to drive around a cone to get to an open charger.
Tesla was very helpful, but could not get the store manager at Fred Meyer (Jeff) to answer or fix the situation with the construction crew working on his store. So...now I'm charging at a nearby casino for 5 hours to get enough charge to make it to Centralia.
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rpo
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One more thing to note, when I left, they were taking a backhoe to the pavement directly in front of the SW side the chargers and were going down ~2 feet. I don't know where the conduit is buried, but they might hit it. If there's no power when it reopens, that's probably why.
On the PDX Tesla Fecebook page someone said the chargers were blocked due to paving work. It should be done in a day or so, but that doesn't help people trying to charge today.
rpo
Member
Nope, and if Tesla doesn't figure out some way to accurately notify owners that a supercharger is closed before they set a supercharger as a destination, then eventually they will be fielding a ton of negative press about customers getting stranded like what happened today.
Like I said in my earlier post, this is the 2nd charger inextricably blocked by construction work in two days for me. Luckily, the first time there was another supercharger a few miles away. Unluckily, that was not even remotely an option the 2nd time, so now I'm stuck for 5 hours trickle charging after already driving 12 goesh today with another 4 hours to go.
There are a number of J-1772 chargers in the area near the Vancouver supercharger. The Birkenstock outlet up the road has one, so does the Salmon Creek hospital, Walgreen's, and Chuck's Produce. If headed north the Gee Creek rest area just north of the Birkenstock store also has a J-1772. None are anywhere near as good as the supercharger, but at least some people can get a bump to get to the next supercharger. going north will be easier when the Longview supercharger is built.
The problem today is many superchargers are islands and if one goes down it leaves hole in the network. They started building redundant superchargers in California (locations only a few miles apart) which prevents people being stranded and as time goes on, that will be happening more and more around the world.
The problem today is many superchargers are islands and if one goes down it leaves hole in the network. They started building redundant superchargers in California (locations only a few miles apart) which prevents people being stranded and as time goes on, that will be happening more and more around the world.
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