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Now that the European Superchargers have CCS and Tesla connectors both, it would appear that Tesla could very easily build an adapter if they wanted to. They already have the software to do the CCS protocol.
That they do, and have had for a long time, according to jb. (I don't have time now to look for the specific quotation.)
What most of the people who trivialize the CCS adapter issue do not understand is that the HomePlug PHY protocols used to administer vehicle-CCS communication (in systems terms 'authorization') are particular to CharIN applying equally to CCS in both J1772 and Mennekes versions, These are easily managed for Tesla but...

Older lower power NA CCS stations had much less complex communications/authorization requirements, partly because there are fewer power monitoring and charge control requirements in that environment. Thus, even while older vehicles can plug into newer CCS stations they will not receive maximum charging power. Tesla, as a member of CharIN, is delivering EU M3 to allow CCS at ~equal power to Supercharger and are converting EU Superchargers to teh new standards while supplying after-market adapters to permit S and X to sue the new stations. So, Tesla can deliver CCS adapters in specific situations, in this case allowing S and X to use the new CCS-style EU Supercharger stations. That does NOT necessarily mean that those adapters will work with non-Tesla stations.

Finally I hope people do not confuse 'authorization' in CCS vehicle/charing station context with 'authorization' in payment terms.

The payment side is not globally mandated nor is it always even integrated directly with the charging station. In fact, many charging stations around the world use remote payment authorization based on unmanned payment authorization for fuelling stations and vending machines. CharIN has an optional method for that used mostly (only?) in the EU.

The administration of the charging process and authorization for a vehicle to charge is NOT optional, and is an intgral aprt to CCS, more stringently in high power than in lower power stations.

All this is overkill for this thread but important to understand that a high power CCS adapter in NA will not come soon. It is still possible that the higher power CHAdeMO and CCS adapters might come at about the same time. Might, but it is also possible that the presently available S and X CHAdeMO adapter, limited to 50 kW, might be as good as it will become. Both CHAdeMO and CCS are rapidly deploying higher power charging stations in some places, mostly not in NA. They are coming, though. Within the next few months we will learn how Tesla will deal with these developments because they must do that for the EU, China and Japan (different standards for each but similar issues).

Some expect multiple native charge ports, as in China-market S and X. Nobody actually knows for certain. We'll find out soon whether we actually will have external adapters or not. We do need to avoid over-simplifying this issue. It is not at all like that ancient world-wide plug adapters that many of us have in our travel kits.
 
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Older lower power NA CCS stations had much less complex communications/authorization requirements, partly because there are fewer power monitoring and charge control requirements in that environment. Thus, even while older vehicles can plug into newer CCS stations they will not receive maximum charging power.
Evidence?

I’m unaware of any technical details in the charging protocols that support this claim. Older CCS chargers use much the same charging protocol stack as the new higher-power chargers. Although refinements and extensions have been made they aren’t all that dramatic and have little to do with maximum charging power.

Older cars won’t charge much faster on high-power chargers because they have smaller batteries and lower-rated inlet wiring and just won’t request more than ~70 kW.

So, Tesla can deliver CCS adapters in specific situations, in this case allowing S and X to use the new CCS-style EU Supercharger stations. That does NOT necessarily mean that those adapters will work with non-Tesla stations.
Tesla is converting their European Superchargers to be dual cable so, at least in the near term, there won’t be any reason for an S or X to need a CCS adapter at a Supercharger. Eventually, Tesla will sharply phase out support for Supercharging on non-CCS vehicles but I doubt that will happen anytime soon. So why even talk about an adapter if it doesn’t work at non-Supercharger CCS locations?

The administration of the charging process and authorization for a vehicle to charge is NOT optional, and is an intgral aprt to CCS, more stringently in high power than in lower power stations.
Evidence?

Much of the authentication and authorization process for CCS (and CHAdeMO) is external to the charging protocols between the vehicle and charger and is between the user and the charger UI and the charger and the charger’s protocols to the charging provider billing computers.

The CCS protocols can carry some proprietary vehicle ID and associated data to the charger that is used by Fastned for their plug-in authorization scheme but that mechanism is not unique to higher-power charging.

All this is overkill for this thread but important to understand that a high power CCS adapter in NA will not come soon.
You’ve given zero technical basis for this assertion although it certainly could be true for business reasons.

Both CHAdeMO and CCS are rapidly deploying higher power charging stations in some places, mostly not in NA.
That’s untrue. There are now over 50 high-power charging stations open in North America (almost all Electrify America) which is about as many as are open in Europe. Several hundred more locations are scheduled to open in the US and Canada during the next year.
 
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All this is overkill for this thread but important to understand that a high power CCS adapter in NA will not come soon. It is still possible that the higher power CHAdeMO and CCS adapters might come at about the same time. Might, but it is also possible that the presently available S and X CHAdeMO adapter, limited to 50 amps, might be as good as it will become. Both CHAdeMO and CCS are rapidly deploying higher power charging stations in some places, mostly not in NA. They are coming, though. Within the next few months we will learn how Tesla will deal with these developments because they must do that for the EU, China and Japan (different standards for each but similar issues).
Small technical error - the present CHAdeMO adapter for S and X is limited to "50kW" which is actually a 125 amp limit. The power is determined by the pack voltage and the amp limit or the car's amperage request. However, your point is well taken. We may never get a better adapter for CCS or CHAdeMO in North America. It is completely up to Tesla's willingness to provide it, not a technical limitation.
 
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Small technical error - the present CHAdeMO adapter for S and X is limited to "50kW" which is actually a 125 amp limit. The power is determined by the pack voltage and the amp limit or the car's amperage request. However, your point is well taken. We may never get a better adapter for CCS or CHAdeMO in North America. It is completely up to Tesla's willingness to provide it, not a technical limitation.
Oops! My mistake. I wish I could claim typo ratehr than carelessness but I cannot. Edited.
 
New Model X and S will be delivered from 1. Feb with a CCS adaptor limited to 120kW.
Source: Ladevorrichtungen :

ccs-adaptor.jpg
 
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Is that in EU only or USA as well? Is that CCS adapter usable for older S and X (and 3) or only future ones?

Charging connector page, translated for us German challenged people:

CCS adapter

CCS adapter
Part of the standard scope of supply? Max charge rate or charged range in an hour *.
Yes, for model S & model X *. Up to 120 kW or 400-500 km
The model 3 is equipped with a CCS connection so no adapter is required
Note: The charging power is limited by the car, not the adapter.
CCS is the most common charge standard for the European quick charging of electric vehicles. Throughout Europe operate public, fee charging networks with this standard.
These CCS charging stations are equipped with a fixed cable that can be plugged directly into the model 3. Model S and model X need an adapter to connect to a CCS charging station. For more information about downloading CCS in the Supercharger FAQ.

So far only listed for the EU.

From the FAQ:

I can recharge the model S and model X to other network providers charging stations?
We will soon receive a "CCS combo 2" adapter as an option offer. As owner of model S or model X, you can with this "CCS combo 2" adapter to recharge your vehicle to other network providers charging stations. The retail price of our "CCS combo 2" adaptor will approximately match the price of CHAdeMO adapter.
 
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Wtf?! Why... we get a new chance of standardizing plugs and still end up with incompatible standards...
Electrons spin in a different direction on the other side of the prime meridian. The US plug isn't designed to handle left hand spin (aka, "metric") electrons. Plus the resonant frequency of copper is such that it's very expensive to formulate conductors that will work at 50 and 60 hz without becoming brittle or turning to powder.
 
Wtf?! Why... we get a new chance of standardizing plugs and still end up with incompatible standards...

CCS plugs have backwards compatibility with AC charging plugs. That's Type 1 (J1772) in the USA and Type 2 (Mennekes) in Europe.
I think they should have cut their losses and done AC and DC at the same time, but they chose not to.
 
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Wtf?! Why... we get a new chance of standardizing plugs and still end up with incompatible standards...

Because the standards bodies standardized AC charging first and screwed that up since they didn’t even bother to try to get a worldwide standard then. Then they compounded the error by having a combined AC and DC charging standard (even though Chademo showed them that they didn’t need a combo plug) so even though the DC part might be the same, the plug itself is different.

Basically, the standards bodies suck. Horribly.
 
Because the standards bodies standardized AC charging first and screwed that up since they didn’t even bother to try to get a worldwide standard then. Then they compounded the error by having a combined AC and DC charging standard (even though Chademo showed them that they didn’t need a combo plug) so even though the DC part might be the same, the plug itself is different.

Basically, the standards bodies suck. Horribly.

Broken gets fixed, kludged lasts forever...
 
It may only be sold or included in EU today, but will it work with olde S and X there? If so, then it should also work with S and X and 3 everywhere else unless they speicifally limited it.

I'm sure it will work anywhere that a Tesla comes with the Type 2 inlet port. Which is not North America/Japan. In NA both sides are different. (Both the CCS and the inlet port on the Tesla.)

So they would need a different adapter.

The Model 3 in EU doesn't require an adapter.
 
Because the standards bodies standardized AC charging first and screwed that up since they didn’t even bother to try to get a worldwide standard then. Then they compounded the error by having a combined AC and DC charging standard (even though Chademo showed them that they didn’t need a combo plug) so even though the DC part might be the same, the plug itself is different.

Basically, the standards bodies suck. Horribly.

yea, they could have gone with Type 2 everywhere, and then NA could have just used 1 phase on it while elsewhere would use 3 phase. The time that could have happened was years ago though...

I think this shows that Tesla could if they wanted to make one for NA cars (NA->CCS and/or NA->Supercharger). We've seen unofficial ones float around but never an official one. I do not think they would make it widely available (to prevent widespread importing) but they could make it for those that move the cars from the US -> Europe for military reasons. (there may be others reasons that I don't know about).