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Tesla charges sites per customer?
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RTPEV
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Who is Chet, and what are his credentials that would lend credence to his statement?
I have to say this doesn't pass the sniff test for me, but I can't really say one way or another myself. I do suspect there are costs associated with hosting a Supercharger (even if non-tangible in the form of giving up parking spots), but a $1 fee for every car that charges just sounds odd to me.
I have to say this doesn't pass the sniff test for me, but I can't really say one way or another myself. I do suspect there are costs associated with hosting a Supercharger (even if non-tangible in the form of giving up parking spots), but a $1 fee for every car that charges just sounds odd to me.
thesmokingman
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Better question is for the $1... Did Sheetz pay for the construction/installation of the chargers?
The CEO of QuikTrip. He would certainly be in a position to know, but I don't know how much to trust it as second hand information.
I was under the impression that the loss of parking spaces was the only cost for sites like this. And at gas stations, I'd expect that to be more than offset by convenience store sales.
It sounds odd to me as it sounds like ccs networks sometimes pay rent for spaces like this.
Well, I haven't seen the contract between Sheetz or Wawa and Tesla for supercharger hosting, so I can't state anything about those with 100% assurance. And it's been a while (last one was a 2 or 3 years ago), so I suppose things may have changed, but I have read a dozen or so copies of what Tesla purports is their "standard hosting agreement" contract and it absolutely doesn't include payments to Tesla from the site host. Tesla tries to get site hosts to provide the hosting on a barter arrangement, where the hosts are providing the space in their parking lot and Tesla is "providing" added value by ensuring a steady stream of captured patrons, all this without money changing hands between them. The exact text is
This doesn't always work, and Tesla sometimes is forced to pay rent in order to get the sites that they want. But I can't imagine a site host ever agreeing to pay Tesla for putting in a supercharger.
This doesn't always work, and Tesla sometimes is forced to pay rent in order to get the sites that they want. But I can't imagine a site host ever agreeing to pay Tesla for putting in a supercharger.
thesmokingman
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On the surface it doesn't seem like a bad trade-off considering the huge cost of construction/installation.
I've never gotten any "free items" when I supercharge (other than using the bathroom?). Sounds like Chet is confused.
There are some sites where they'll give you a free coffee or a free drink with purchase, etc. You just have to show your Tesla key fob or key card inside. The specific ones I'm thinking of are at Collins Street Bakery locations in Texas. And I've seen mentions of similar at a few other superchargers, though I couldn't name them off the top of my head. But it's definitely not the norm.
No. He is lying through his teeth and shoveling manure.
I think so too. It is really annoying as qt would make a great partner in some parts of the country. They are growing too.
Superchargers at QuikTrips along I-85 between Atlanta and Charlotte would be perfect and a good way to draw in traffic. Some much needed superchargers have been added in Piedmont and Fair Play to relieve the Greenville SC, but there are QT's in Gaffney, Spartanburg, and Gastonia that would be great SC locations as well.
There are also lots of QT's along the I-35 corridor between Austin and DFW along with the Wichita/KC corridor (QT doesn't have stores in OKC even though they're HQ'd in Tulsa).
QuikTrip is pretty similar to Sheetz/Wawa/Royal Farms, but I wonder if the CEO of QT has anti-EV sentiments or heavy interest with ICE companies. It's a question worth asking because their equivalents (I don't think QT overlaps with those stations, even in Sheetz heavy NC) in other parts of the country have really rolled out the carpet for Tesla SC's, but they seem to be a glaring holdout.
There are also lots of QT's along the I-35 corridor between Austin and DFW along with the Wichita/KC corridor (QT doesn't have stores in OKC even though they're HQ'd in Tulsa).
QuikTrip is pretty similar to Sheetz/Wawa/Royal Farms, but I wonder if the CEO of QT has anti-EV sentiments or heavy interest with ICE companies. It's a question worth asking because their equivalents (I don't think QT overlaps with those stations, even in Sheetz heavy NC) in other parts of the country have really rolled out the carpet for Tesla SC's, but they seem to be a glaring holdout.
Just from the little bit of poking around that I did, it sounds like a family owned business with a pretty heavy anti ev bias. I'm sure that will change eventually, but for the short term I'm not optimistic.
It is too bad, as you are definitely right about the potential.
Okay, well I've now seen this claim from a first-hand source, so I'm willing to believe that Tesla may be moving towards this as a possibility for at least some new locations.
From the Venice, FL supercharger thread: BrewBurgers watching effect of Tesla Superchargers
From the Venice, FL supercharger thread: BrewBurgers watching effect of Tesla Superchargers
Interesting and sad, as that seems like it would be a bad deal for some types of businesses. Why wouldn't Tesla just get the $1 from charging revenue?
AlexHung
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It's possible there's some municipal/state law that requires that payment, so Tesla asks for the nominal $1 to satisfy the law.
drdumont
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May have been confirmed earlier, but today in the Lindale Texas Collin Street Bakery, I was told they no longer offer the cup of coffee and a cookie that they did there and in Waco the last times I was through there.
Every time I have been through either location except in the wee hours of the morning, there have been at least half of the stalls in use.
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