napabill: If it is any consolation, I'm much more interested in
this. In this particular thread I was interested in trying to find some ideas for consensus between Tesla and the OP, and for us to get to the full story. The meta talk about TMC is wholly uninteresting, but hey, I haven't shied away behind any ignore buttons if anyone wants to talk.
So? We all get rep points and PMs, and we all know that people say things behind the scenes that they don't want other people to 'hear' for all sorts of reasons - like knowing full well this forum has rules about certain types of expression. Not the point.
The point is, people feel much more comfortable taking a certain side on TMC in public - in private is a bit different.
AnxietyRanger said:
If you don't agree this place can be unnecessarily harsh on people who are viewed as being critical of Tesla, I respect that too.
I never said/agreed/didn't agree/commented/etc... on that. *That* was never the discussion. Your very specific point was that TMC had to be more balanced (as a whole) and that TMC leaned distinctly (as a whole) toward being overly harsh. *That* is what I disagreed about.
Fair enough. I respect that and I didn't mean to misrepresent your position, I just had a different understanding of it. Anyway, I do think TMC leans distinctly towards being overly harsh
on people who are viewed as being critical of Tesla.
You're wrong. TMC leans heavily to the positive as a whole due in part to its strong moderation of the rules. There have also been plenty of threads where someone has had an issue and they've received positive support and feedback.
Like I said, TMC overall may be fairly positive, but I think it is overly harsh
on people who are viewed as being critical of Tesla, especially if it is felt by some that there is a danger of such conversation hurting Tesla somehow.
AnxietyRanger said:
One-sided zealotry has never appealed to me, nor do I think it is to the benefit of said goals.
Good thing it doesn't happen here.
LOL.
Look, I'm not saying all here do that - not at all - but it definitely exists here as well.
AnxietyRanger said:
Sometimes people also get what they don't deserve.
Perhaps, but that's not the point and you know it.
Apparently I have no idea anymore what the point is, because no, I don't know that.
The concept and level of reasonable or measured response is a matter of opinion and debatable. It is often hard to say what is reasonable either, unless one has enough facts, not always the case in distant online discussions especially. But most importantly, not all expected or expectable responses are reasonable either.
To use a metaphor - and lest anyone get annoyed, this is merely for illustration, not a reflection on this thread - just because nicely but affirmatively confronting a bullying child at the playground might predictably result in the said child taking their toys and going home accompanied by a tantrum, that doesn't mean the child's predictable response is a reasonable response to the confrontation, nor does it mean the confrontation should not have happened. Even if the gone home child is popular and many other kids go home with their toys in protest, that doesn't mean it is the reasonable response either. Popularity doesn't always equate in being right.
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Ugh. The ignore function doesn't work when quoting
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For the record, I have only EVER put one person on ignore. So to blame it on differing views or the TMC culture is reaching. Because lord knows, there are a Lot of differing views on this forum, some who disagree very loudly with me.
My issue, which I made clear with the person, is the continued need to assign motivation to my words, instead of the topic. It got to the point where I'd see a post and think, 'What are they going to pick at me about now?' - and that was the point I decided to exit from further conversations. It's things like saying people didn't like the analysis, when I was clear that I just didn't want to participate in speculation - and the word 'speculation' caused offense. But now it's people didn't want an analysis to occur.
Constantly blaming the TMC culture and taking no responsibility (or even being willing to acknowledge the possibility) for personal behavior? A scenario obviously not considered.
And somehow I'm going to ignore the quoted stuff going forward.
I am not sure if you are going to see this message, but still since you brought it out in public, I will give it my answer of course.
Since you are ignoring my messages, you haven't probably read the ones where I've expressed knowing full well the expected response to some of my views I've come to know as controversial for TMC. I am not surprised by the response and I have not protested the response in any way. If people feel like ignoring, that is their choice. That is OK. If people want to discuss, I'm here for that as well. I continue to hold the view that TMC in part is unnecessarily harsh on those viewed critical of Tesla and for actions deemed hurtful for Tesla. There is a defensive streak, in my opinion. Pointing it out is not popular and hence the reaction. I fully own up to that. I also fully own up to the fact that some people disagree with my view and thus find my view offensive for a different reason. I can respect that - and I do.
I am not the one who walked away from the conversation.
In any case. It takes two to tango. Ever consider the possibility that your way of interacting also plays a part? In fact, that it - and its kind - may also play a big part in the culture of TMC? You are a powerful character here, with lots of friends backing you up. It does affect what people write and how.
Now, before this goes to the negative, nothing here is meant to diminish TMC or the efforts bonnie and her colleagues have done to make this a great forum. Like I said bonnie on the PM reply to your PM some time ago, I'm sorry I couldn't make the communication work between us. I would have gladly continued the conversation, but I respect your choice to bow out from it as well.
