GrimRe
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Exactly!I think by inefficient he meant higher wh/km, so the larger battery doesn’t apply any additional range, rather masks the higher consumption.
Lol dude you are salty AF about Model Y being a better value for money product than Ioniq 5. Sure you can point out some on paper feature differences but if you take the experience of a Model Y as a whole and compare it to the experience of an Ioniq 5, the VAST majority of people would prefer the Model Y all things considered.In other words, a bunch of features that if Tesla had them, they’d be proof of Tesla’s superiority, but since Tesla doesn’t have them, they are irrelevant? . I’ve seen that shtick before.
I mean - bigger battery is now a disadvantage because it’s more “inefficient”? I’ve lost count of the number of times that other BEVs have been mercilessly mocked on Tesla forums here and elsewhere for years because they have smaller batteries than Tesla’s which, apparently, proved they were joke cars and golf carts.
Now that other manufacturers are competing on battery size, the bigger batteries we were told were essential to prove your BEV street-cred are now “inefficient”? Yeah, right.
As for “gimmicks” well Fart Mode and Yoke steering wheels would be right up there as gimmicks, correct? I rate the “infotainment“ on Model 3 as a gimmick. I have very occasionally used YouTube or read the newspaper when waiting, but have never played any of the games. Tesla seems to spend a disproportionate amount of R&D time on these gimmicks rather than real features that make substantive, material improvements to the driving experience and fixing things like phantom braking.
”Coming to Model Y” doesn’t count. What was that you said about you can actually buy now?
Faster charging is on 350 kW sites, such as on Chargefox and Evie.
V2L is not USB-C. It supplies up to 3.6 kW @ 230V. That ain’t no USB-C, buddy.
OTA absolutely counts. The Ioniq 5 doesn't have OTA therefore that horribly slow and bugger interface you get? Yup you're stuck with it.
I'd take supercharging network over 350kW any day. If you are really hanging your hat on 250kW vs 350kW and ignoring the rest of the supercharger network benefit you are just being intellectually dishonest.
If you really want an Ioniq 5 because you don't like Musk or Tesla fanboys or you in general don't like the idea of FSD-- that's totally fine. Don't pretend that the Ioniq 5 is a better vehicle for the majority of people in comparison to a Model Y. It just isn't.
Re: the $10k FSD option. This does require you to really believe in the promise of FSD being as good as Musk makes it out to be. I personally think it will progress (in Australia at least) to an EXTREMELY capable L2/ADAS system and be well worth the $10k current price. If your Model Y will be able to be used a RoboTaxi and generate income off that $10k investment is another story. Nobody should be relying on that to make their decision however it can be viewed as a free call option on the future (in case it does happen)I think you've drunk too much Musk kool-aid.
Don't get me wrong - I love the Model Y and I'm going to buy one. But the Ioniq 5 has much higher feature set for a higher price.
RTCA is a useful safety feature, but then people used to say that reverse cameras were a gimmick too.
The Model Y can't even autopark without a $10,000 upgrade.
I'd be dubious that the Model Y would ever get a 360 degree view, it doesn't have the camera coverage.
The fast charging is at 350kW sites.
The rear seats on the Ioniq 5 fold flat as well.
And USB-C is in no way equivalent to V2L which supplies 3.6kW at 240 V AC. If you think they are comparable then you really don't know what you're talking about.
USB-C comment was meant tongue in cheek as for the vast majority of use cases the electricity-out of an EV is to charge a phone, laptop, etc. Therefore having 100W USB-C is far more valuable. The Ioniq 5 does not come with the adaptor to output 240v AC by default I believe... I wonder how many people would even buy this?
For the record, Model Y also has the same CCS2 standard and hardware required for bi-directional. Tesla could in theory enable it via OTA if for some reason this became a bigger use case than it currently is.