StealthP3D
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Because if you dig into his credentials, particularly where he's investing his money, he's likely backing LIDAR-using companies.
Bingo!
You hit the nail on the head!
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Because if you dig into his credentials, particularly where he's investing his money, he's likely backing LIDAR-using companies.
...Does Tesla assign greater weight to vision data or radar data? Maybe equal weights? Perhaps the weights are variable depending on the current driving conditions?
I doubt Lidar would have helped here given the blocking vehicle prevents detection until the last second.LIDAR would have prevented the accident, or at least allowed the car to know there was a stationary object in the way and tried to take evasive measures. You won't find reports of accidents like this with Wamo's fleet. But you also won't see LIDAR being used in a Tesla if it bumps up the price tag by $20,000 either.
That said, this accident is not the fault of autopilot. AP is just a driver assist. The driver needed to be watching and take over control soon as the stationary vehicle was seen. AP would allow the driver to look around and be more mindful of the vehicles around him than if he had to focus strictly on steering. If you're taking a nap, watching a movie, etc, then there is no one to blame but yourself if this happens.
I have, at a stop light where my vehicle never saw the vehicle ahead moving.Yes, because the traffic in front of me is slowing down and not stopped completely.
I’ve never encountered a situation where there is a stationary object directly in front of me while traveling at highway speeds. I hope I never encounter this.
You do realize that those stats are incredibly biased right?His conclusion
The facts:
Tesla releases new Autopilot safety report: more crashes but still fewer than when humans drive - Electrek
It’s facts are wrong, that’s what makes it a hit piece.
You do realize that those stats are incredibly biased right?
It's biased for the following reasons :
1. There are significantly fewer Tesla's on the road compared to other cars
2. Those buying a Tesla are a very specific demographic that is statistically more likely to be a good or safe driver
3. The sample size is still too small
You should take these stats for what they are: an early predictive measure of what it could be but no means accurate or definitive
You're still missing the point. Tesla cars and owners are not representative of a sufficiently random and diverse group to be considered a quality sample for a statistical study. It doesn't really matter the actual numbers or how many miles driven. There are simply too many biased variables to be able to show real Autopilot effectiveness. If you can't understand why that is true then you don't understand how scientific studies are designed nor statistical significance works.Negatory.
The fact that there are fewer Tesla’s on the road is irrelevant. The statistics are given per million miles driven. A mile driven in a Tesla is the same as a mile driven in an ice.
How can you support thot two? Where is your evidence to support that? Even if we assume it to be true, the statics also compare tesla drivers without auto pilot to Tesla drivers with autopilot, and Tesla drivers with autopilot go twice as far without getting into an accident as Tesla drivers without autopilot.
You also can’t prove thot three either. Most studies limit thier sample size to somewhere between 100 and 2000 samples (due to cost)... suffice it to say there are more than 2000 Tesla’s on the road that have driven sufficient miles to develope a sample size that provide a relatively high confidence level on the safety of the vehicles auto pilot system.
Again, wrong facts.
caskater47 said:2. Those buying a Tesla are a very specific demographic that is statistically more likely to be a good or safe driver
Do you have any statistics to back that up, or is that just an assumption? Assumptions aren't helpful here.
The biggest problem with those safety reports is probably that Autopilot is primarily used in traffic situations that have lower accident rates to begin with (limited access roads). So comparing it to all miles driven without Autopilot is meaningless. If Tesla was serious about this, they'd release the raw data so they could be independently evaluated.How can you support thot two? Where is your evidence to support that? Even if we assume it to be true, the statics also compare tesla drivers without auto pilot to Tesla drivers with autopilot, and Tesla drivers with autopilot go twice as far without getting into an accident as Tesla drivers without autopilot.
The article described the one in Tesla owner's manual which also happened to me in real life.
The black car in front of me saw stopped cars in front so it moved to the right.
I was driving with Autopilot version 8.1 at 61 MPH and didn't immediately understand why the black car in front changed to the right lane.
I knew that the black car changed lane but I didn't realize I was in danger driving at 61 MPH in a stopped traffic in front.
I was still thinking!
I only realized the danger when the Collision Warning Alarm went off and and told myself "there's no time to think any more!"
I applied the brakes thanks to the alarm.
I could have applied the brake on my own without the alarm but it might be a tad late because I was still thinking "strange, why did that car changed lane?".
So although Autopilot didn't stop in this situation, I still give it credit for alarming me to take over!
And here's a bio on the author; hardly a hack freelance journalist writing a hit piece. [...]
...This is precisely the scenario AP2 identifies well in advance and reduces the speed even before the car in front of you switched lanes...
I have LIDAR in my Audi A8. It is an option for 2900€ ($3,245). I doubt it would add $20,000 in price to a Tesla.But you also won't see LIDAR being used in a Tesla if it bumps up the price tag by $20,000 either.