Chuq
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Yes, that's what I meant 
Better to have 8 every 50 miles than to have 16 every 100 miles!
Better to have 8 every 50 miles than to have 16 every 100 miles!
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Tesla Supercharger network
- Thread starter dsm363
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Spreading out the locations also helps with other problems: congestion in the parking lots, local businesses, routes leading to the locations, etc...
It also allows more granular alignment for trips, i.e. - I might be able to make a supercharger 150 or 200 miles away from me, but not one 250 miles away.
It also increases the chance I'll be able to hit a supercharger along a major corridor before having to exit, rather than having to double back after reaching one.
It also allows more granular alignment for trips, i.e. - I might be able to make a supercharger 150 or 200 miles away from me, but not one 250 miles away.
It also increases the chance I'll be able to hit a supercharger along a major corridor before having to exit, rather than having to double back after reaching one.
Providing more overlapping chains like this also gives Tesla more options for deconflicting groups of cars, once they get all the data together and start trying to reduce delays - the Nav can suggest charging an extra give five minutes now and then skipping the busiest location for an under utilized one twenty miles down the road from it.
I think it's fairly inevitable that Tesla will start doing that in a few years, and having a bunch of overlapping stations will make it much more effective.
Indeed. It's been missing since before 2012. It's never been posted, yet we're well into 2016. The question is why hasn't it been updated.
With the huge and unexpected number of Model 3 orders and now the plan for a large increase in production by 2018 I suspect Tesla is rethinking how they're going to deal with the Supercharger network expansion.
Today on major highways between cities there are oases with a few restaurants, a few gas stations, a truck stop, and not much else. There is usually a town off the highway about a mile or two, but this oasis is the only thing most travelers see. I expect they are less common in the east because the population density is so high, but even California has large areas that are essentially uninhabited.
Eventually there will have to be some kind of fast charging available wherever there is a gas station and restaurant oasis. Some of the superchargers in California that get talked about the most are in these places along I-5. Tejon Ranch and Harris Ranch are both blobs of civilization in what is essentially the desert of the western San Joaquin Valley. The eastern valley is some of the most valuable farm land on the planet, but the water doesn't reach the western side of the valley so the only thing out there is an interstate and services for travelers.
I expect the supercharger network will expand to busier secondary highways, then they will fill in between existing SCs. If they end up spaced about every 50-75 miles, that will help with congestion plus will help with timing as you point out. I was mapping out getting to California from here. The first supercharger on I-5 is only 60 miles from here, but the second one is 135 miles and the third is 270 miles. There is a town half way between the second and third SCs that would be ideal for a 90D without developing range anxiety, but 270 is a bit far for a novice EV driver without getting a boost at the second SC.
I'm sure there are many other cases where some spot about halfway in between two superchargers would be ideal for people, but they have to stop for a short charge at the nearer one to make it to the further one. It adds time to the trip to have more stops as well as congests superchargers. In an afternoon I've hit two superchargers instead of just one. It's no big deal for one car, but in aggregate over the entire fleet, it adds up.
Eventually there will have to be some kind of fast charging available wherever there is a gas station and restaurant oasis. Some of the superchargers in California that get talked about the most are in these places along I-5. Tejon Ranch and Harris Ranch are both blobs of civilization in what is essentially the desert of the western San Joaquin Valley. The eastern valley is some of the most valuable farm land on the planet, but the water doesn't reach the western side of the valley so the only thing out there is an interstate and services for travelers.
I expect the supercharger network will expand to busier secondary highways, then they will fill in between existing SCs. If they end up spaced about every 50-75 miles, that will help with congestion plus will help with timing as you point out. I was mapping out getting to California from here. The first supercharger on I-5 is only 60 miles from here, but the second one is 135 miles and the third is 270 miles. There is a town half way between the second and third SCs that would be ideal for a 90D without developing range anxiety, but 270 is a bit far for a novice EV driver without getting a boost at the second SC.
I'm sure there are many other cases where some spot about halfway in between two superchargers would be ideal for people, but they have to stop for a short charge at the nearer one to make it to the further one. It adds time to the trip to have more stops as well as congests superchargers. In an afternoon I've hit two superchargers instead of just one. It's no big deal for one car, but in aggregate over the entire fleet, it adds up.
I was talking about where I live going south to CA. I live north of Portland in Clark County, WA. It's 270 miles from here to Grants Pass, OR. The three I-5 superchargers in Oregon are Woodburn (just south of Portland), Springfield (near Eugene), and Grants Pass. Mapquest says Springfield to Grants Pass is 136 miles, and just about 135 miles from where I live to Springfield. Medford is a little further than Grants Pass, but there is no SC shown on the map in Medford.
Benz
Active Member
Update including May 6th, 2016:
North America
2012: 0 + 0 + 0 + 7 = 7
2013: 0 + 2 + 13 + 28 = 43
2014: 32 + 16 + 19 + 35 = 102
2015: 42 + 19 + 22 + 30 = 113
2016: 11 + 2 + 0 + 0 = 13
Total: 7 + 43 + 102 + 113 + 13 = 278
Europe
2013: 0 + 0 + 5 + 8 = 13
2014: 0 + 10 + 42 + 53 = 105
2015: 19 + 19 + 32 + 24 = 94
2016: 10 + 4 + 0 + 0 = 14
Total: 13 + 105 + 94 + 14 = 226
Asia Pacific (Currently: China, Japan, Australia)
2014: 0 + 3 + 16 + 39 = 58
2015: 15 + 5 + 15 + 19 = 54
2016: 7 + 3 + 0 + 0 = 10
Total: 58 + 54 + 10 = 122
Global total: 278 + 226 + 122 = 626
2012 Global total: 7 + 0 + 0 = 7
2013 Global total: 43 + 13 + 0 = 56
2014 Global total: 102 + 105 + 58 = 265
2015 Global total: 113 + 94 + 54 = 261
2016 Global total: 13 + 14 + 10 = 37
Q1 2013 total: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Q2 2013 total: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Q3 2013 total: 13 + 5 + 0 = 18
Q4 2013 total: 28 + 8 + 0 = 36
H1 2013: 0 + 2 = 2
H2 2013: 18 + 36 = 54
Q1 2014 total: 32 + 0 + 0 = 32
Q2 2014 total: 16 + 10 + 3 = 29
Q3 2014 total: 19 + 42 + 16 = 77
Q4 2014 total: 35 + 53 + 39 = 127
H1 2014: 32 + 29 = 61
H2 2014: 77 + 127 = 204
Q1 2015 total: 42 + 19 + 15 = 76
Q2 2015 total: 19 + 19 + 5 = 43
Q3 2015 total: 22 + 32 + 15 = 69
Q4 2015 total: 30 + 24 + 19 = 73
H1 2015: 76 + 43 = 119
H2 2015: 69 + 73 = 142
Q1 2016 total: 11 + 10 + 7 = 28 (in 91 days) Average = 0.3077
Q2 2016 total: 2 + 4 + 3 = 9 (in 36 days) Average = 0.2500
2016 annual average (so far): 37 in 127 days = 0.2913
"261 new live Supercharger stations in 365 days (in 2015). The average is more than 0.7150 per day (in 2015)". The average in 2014 was 0.7260 (= 265/365). The total for 2014 + 2015 = 526. And that sure is extraordinary progress. Let's see how that will continue in 2016, 2017, etc
North America
2012: 0 + 0 + 0 + 7 = 7
2013: 0 + 2 + 13 + 28 = 43
2014: 32 + 16 + 19 + 35 = 102
2015: 42 + 19 + 22 + 30 = 113
2016: 11 + 2 + 0 + 0 = 13
Total: 7 + 43 + 102 + 113 + 13 = 278
Europe
2013: 0 + 0 + 5 + 8 = 13
2014: 0 + 10 + 42 + 53 = 105
2015: 19 + 19 + 32 + 24 = 94
2016: 10 + 4 + 0 + 0 = 14
Total: 13 + 105 + 94 + 14 = 226
Asia Pacific (Currently: China, Japan, Australia)
2014: 0 + 3 + 16 + 39 = 58
2015: 15 + 5 + 15 + 19 = 54
2016: 7 + 3 + 0 + 0 = 10
Total: 58 + 54 + 10 = 122
Global total: 278 + 226 + 122 = 626
2012 Global total: 7 + 0 + 0 = 7
2013 Global total: 43 + 13 + 0 = 56
2014 Global total: 102 + 105 + 58 = 265
2015 Global total: 113 + 94 + 54 = 261
2016 Global total: 13 + 14 + 10 = 37
Q1 2013 total: 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Q2 2013 total: 2 + 0 + 0 = 2
Q3 2013 total: 13 + 5 + 0 = 18
Q4 2013 total: 28 + 8 + 0 = 36
H1 2013: 0 + 2 = 2
H2 2013: 18 + 36 = 54
Q1 2014 total: 32 + 0 + 0 = 32
Q2 2014 total: 16 + 10 + 3 = 29
Q3 2014 total: 19 + 42 + 16 = 77
Q4 2014 total: 35 + 53 + 39 = 127
H1 2014: 32 + 29 = 61
H2 2014: 77 + 127 = 204
Q1 2015 total: 42 + 19 + 15 = 76
Q2 2015 total: 19 + 19 + 5 = 43
Q3 2015 total: 22 + 32 + 15 = 69
Q4 2015 total: 30 + 24 + 19 = 73
H1 2015: 76 + 43 = 119
H2 2015: 69 + 73 = 142
Q1 2016 total: 11 + 10 + 7 = 28 (in 91 days) Average = 0.3077
Q2 2016 total: 2 + 4 + 3 = 9 (in 36 days) Average = 0.2500
2016 annual average (so far): 37 in 127 days = 0.2913
"261 new live Supercharger stations in 365 days (in 2015). The average is more than 0.7150 per day (in 2015)". The average in 2014 was 0.7260 (= 265/365). The total for 2014 + 2015 = 526. And that sure is extraordinary progress. Let's see how that will continue in 2016, 2017, etc
HankLloydRight
No Roads
Is there an existing thread on this? I saw this on facebook.
Apparently there's a European adapter that allows Chademo EV owners to use Tesla Superchargers?
See: EV-HOLE - EV Drivers who Park in EV spots but are not Charging! Public Group | Facebook
Apparently there's a European adapter that allows Chademo EV owners to use Tesla Superchargers?
See: EV-HOLE - EV Drivers who Park in EV spots but are not Charging! Public Group | Facebook
HankLloydRight
No Roads
Bad thing, of course!! WTAF?
There's all this talk about superchargers handshaking with the mothership, and it's all BS!
wk057 has proven that sending the VIN up the line doesn't matter at all.. but is the handshaking entirely bogus? Or does this adapter spoof a Tesla VIN handshake?
There's all this talk about superchargers handshaking with the mothership, and it's all BS!
wk057 has proven that sending the VIN up the line doesn't matter at all.. but is the handshaking entirely bogus? Or does this adapter spoof a Tesla VIN handshake?
While there have been previous photos that were similar, in the other cases, the non-Tesla cars were able to plug in but couldn't actually charge.
I have no problem with other non-Tesla cars using Superchargers as long as their respective manufacturers pay proportionally to help expand the Supercharger network.
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I vote for prank. Look at the gauge of the extension wire.
The SC enabling is in the car's firmware, not the handshake--otherwise it wouldn't be possible to charge without a solid network connection. I suspect the handshake only sends logging data.
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