JusRelax
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GigaSeoul has a nice ring to it... Ok fine, it most likely wouldn't be in Seoul, but it just sounded cool.
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Interesting...Unfortunately I think I can render your statistics useless by offering that never in its entire history since June 2010 IPO has Tesla ever had to endure an energy crisis due to a war while enduring supply chain challenges caused by a global pandemic while the Fed raised interest rates 375 basis points in 7.5 months while...Fact not opinion:
Never in its entire history since June 2010 IPO has Tesla ever had more than 4 straight losing months
4 straight losing months:
Once in 2011 followed by 2 up months
Once in 2014-2015 followed by 3 up months
Once in 2016 followed by 7 months rally
In last 13 months we’ve had 2 instances of 4 months straight down plus a 3 month down
If December is red for Tesla that will be first ever instance of 5 straight down months
Assuming we don't climb 20%+ in the next two days.If December is red for Tesla that will be first ever instance of 5 straight down months
The above was a lucky guess on my part - it turned out the announcement in the last hour made by Chinese government was a big push to vaccinate the elderly.Protests were vastly subdued in the last 24 hours, would be odd for Xi to cave today. Perhaps a more tailored approach, say for senior population.
Militant unions? Indonesia is that you.GigaSeoul has a nice ring to it... Ok fine, it most likely wouldn't be in Seoul, but it just sounded cool.
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China insured units in November (incl. one day of October) so far: 39,500 units
Tesla MIC 31 Oct-6 Nov: 11,195
Tesla MIC 7-13 Nov: 13,939
Tesla MIC 14-20 Nov: 14,366
Prior record retail sales in the second month of a quarter: 34,502 units
With more than a week left in November, >50,000 insured units / retail sales should be possible.
Quarter-to-date retail sales / insured units: 17,200+39,500= 56,700 units
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Some additional math:
Let's say Tesla produces around 260,000-270,000 units in Shanghai.
Export could be about 110,000-125,000 units.
-> 145,000-150,000 units left for retail sales in China.
Retail sales / insured units so far: 56,700
+ a bit more than one week in November: 15,000
+ December sales in line with prior 3. month of a quarter: 65,000-78,000
= China retail sales 136,700-149,700
So, it seems possible to sell and export most cars. However, uncertainty over demand and Covid restrictions might affect retail sales in December.
We also have Thailand and 5 more ships to Aus ….cheers!!For those interested: A quick update with the new data:
Tesla MIC 31 Oct-6 Nov: 11,195
Tesla MIC 7-13 Nov: 13,939
Tesla MIC 14-20 Nov: 14,366
Tesla MIC 21-27 Nov: 16,121
China insured units in November (incl. one day in October) so far: 55,621 units
(Prior record retail sales in the second month of a quarter: 34,502 units)
Quarter-to-date retail sales / insured units: 17,200+55,621= 72,821 units
For the whole quarter in China:
Shanghai production ~ 260,000-270,000 units
Exports ~ 110,000-125,000 units
-> 145,000-150,000 units left for retail sales in China.
Retail sales / insured units so far: 72,821
+ 3 days in November (-1 day in October): ~ 4,000
+ December sales in line with prior 3. month of a quarter: 65,000-78,000
= China retail sales 141,821-154,820 units
Even if Tesla reduces the delivery wave this quarter, the additional amount of inventory cars should not be enormous.
Q4-22 shaping up to be a massive export quarter for $TSLA with 37 boats combined from both Shanghai and Fremont. Previous record was 25 in Q4-21. This includes 21 total boats to Europe,l (2 from Fremont carrying S/X), and a whopping 11 to Australia/New Zealand.
Let's see how much of December's production in China gets directed to exports. These cars will be in transit and will only count as deliveries in Q1 '23.China local deliveries.
The first 2 months of the quarter compared to the first 2 months of prior quarters.
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China local deliveries.
The first 2 months of the quarter compared to the first 2 months of prior quarters.
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I agree with this.Even if Tesla reduces the delivery wave this quarter, the additional amount of inventory cars should not be enormous.
I think sentiment towards FSD could change any time now. Soon, the market will realize that FSD is getting really good and it's only a matter of time before robotaxi is a reality. It doesn't even matter if that's projected to be 5 years away. When the market realizes it's inevitable, and Tesla has no competition in that space, the stock will rally.Hate to go off topic but I’ve been trying to wonder what gets TSLA back to $300/ sh.
What I have so far
1. Waiting for forward PE to support $300 at this level (e.g. ~55% higher earnings adjusting for any stock dilutions or buy backs)
2. Growth substantially above current expectations - which is less than 50% y/y - so maybe a 15-20% quarterly upside surprise
3. Surprise expansion story - new 3/Y factory, Texas & Berlin ramp, new $25$-$30k model, CT deliveries
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I agree with this.
In Q3, Tesla had production exceeding deliveries by 22k cars as they began to flattened the wave.
At the moment, Troy has Q4 production exceeding deliveries by 46k . . .which is too much imo.
Tesla does not need to flatten the wave that abruptly, they can flatten over 4-6 quarters.
I would expect Q4 production exceeding deliveries to be consistent with Q3 at around 20k-25k.
We can keep an eye on ships departing in December to give us an idea on what the in-transit inventory will be.
I don't think you've allowed for the cars in transit at the end of Q3 delivered in Q4 which would add what, 20K to your deliveries numberI agree with this, BUT with the increased production in Q4 I feel we should expect a slightly higher number of "cars in flux" than we had in Q3. Maybe something like 25K - 30K less delivered than produced?
So if Shanghai comes in at 265,000 produced for Q4, and we assume Fremont comes in at 145,000, and Berlin + Austin a total of 50K between them, that would equal 460,000 produced for Q4, so 30K less cars in transit and we'd get a Q4 delivery number of 430,000 for Q4 2022. Note this isn't very far off what Troy is predicting, and it's very close to what James Stephenson is predicting too.
That's a lot of assumptions of course and it could be either higher or lower than that, but I feel it won't be too far off the mark.
This would give us 1,340,000 for the year, or 43% increase YoY. Now, since that is less than 50%, would TSLA be punished for that, or rewarded for the huge growth during a year plagued with pandemic roadblocks?