I’m not one of them. But some people just like to own expensive things. Luxury clothing brands and expensive wine as examples. There’s really nothing that justifies the price for either but branding/style. It’s not engineering for everyone.
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I’m not one of them. But some people just like to own expensive things. Luxury clothing brands and expensive wine as examples. There’s really nothing that justifies the price for either but branding/style. It’s not engineering for everyone.
Aftermarket Product Idea: Annoyance Speaker Toggle switch...Recently had an annual inspection on Model 3. Shop did very little so they could at least check the operation of the annoyance maker similar to checking that the signal lights work
Exactly! Problem solved.
Also... how do I schedule a 6 PM pickup this evening?
EDIT- Also... Isn't there a thread for charging?
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PaulRocket
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Question for you guys. Why would Elon announce now that a new Model S is coming in October of 2020? How does that make strategic sense?
Here's another source I saw describing the Plaid's run. An excerpt:
"This unofficial time was set during Industry Pool lapping sessions, where dozens of manufacturer prototype vehicles ranging from diesel crossovers to fire-breathing supercars all share the track at the same time.
Nurburgring organizers forbid automakers from timing their own laps during Industry Pool sessions, and drivers are required to enter and exit the track from the pit area at Turn 13, making a complete flying lap impossible. So, given the traffic and the restrictions of Industry Pool testing, we feel certain that the highly-modified Tesla could be capable of an even faster lap time on an empty track during an official timed session. Our eyewitness did note that weather conditions were ideal during the lapping session, with temperatures around 64 degrees F and heavy cloud cover.
Still, that's mighty fast. Our eyewitness described the Tesla prototypes popping out to overtake 500- and 600-horsepower supercars during the Industry Pool lapping sessions."
Seems rather exciting to me.Nurburgring organizers forbid automakers from timing their own laps during Industry Pool sessions, and drivers are required to enter and exit the track from the pit area at Turn 13, making a complete flying lap impossible. So, given the traffic and the restrictions of Industry Pool testing, we feel certain that the highly-modified Tesla could be capable of an even faster lap time on an empty track during an official timed session. Our eyewitness did note that weather conditions were ideal during the lapping session, with temperatures around 64 degrees F and heavy cloud cover.
Still, that's mighty fast. Our eyewitness described the Tesla prototypes popping out to overtake 500- and 600-horsepower supercars during the Industry Pool lapping sessions."
Back to topic - seems like we have a positive note from DB:
Deutsche Bank posts bullish TSLA outlook after meeting with Tesla executive
EDIT: Haven´t heard of that analyst before "Senior Autos & Auto Technology Analyst Emmanuel Rosner" - anyone else?
Deutsche Bank posts bullish TSLA outlook after meeting with Tesla executive
EDIT: Haven´t heard of that analyst before "Senior Autos & Auto Technology Analyst Emmanuel Rosner" - anyone else?
Not a new Model S - a new Model S Plaid - ie the new top performance model.
Well that is how I read it:
It’s a start. We expect these track times to be beaten by the actual production 7 seat Model S Plaid variant that goes into production around Oct/Nov next year.
Pezpunk
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Obviously to blunt and Osborne Porsche's Taycan Turbo S launch. It'll be harder for auto magazines to tout it as the fastest EV ever when everyone knows the Plaid Model S is going to demolish it in every measurable metric (and the magazines reviewing the Taycan Turbo S will now all mention the Plaid Tesla), and harder for rich people to pull the trigger on something that'll only be the *second* fastest EV, whether they intend to race it or simply drive it to work. Second place has only a tiny fraction of the prestige as first place.
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anthonyj
Stonks
Something needs to fill the 130-150k range. Something new and exciting. Plus it nullifies Porsche’s 7b investment lol
Personally I do not think this should be an embarrassment for Porsche. This is their first EV and their next will surely be better. Key positive is that it will stop the media from hyping this as a negative toward Tesla.
Hopefully, the narrative will shift from Tesla vs other EVs to EVs vs ICE. The Taycan will sell their fair share of vehicles simply to their fans and others who simply do not want a Tesla. We should be happy that they are helping to expand the EV market.
I will admit that I was pleasantly surprised to see the Model S time. Great marketing for Tesla.
copyhacker
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It’s a little of both. The ICE lobby that would push back on this if it were applied to ICE cars is huge, while the EV lobby is almost nonexistent. EVs are an easy target. Same reasoning applies to those new EV-only road taxes we see popping up lately.
I actually disagree here. I’m hoping the narrative is always EV vs EV, with ICE just being that outdated trash nobody cares about comparing against.
It's exciting to see the the plaid variant doing well. I'm much more interested in the times for the current S though.
Pezpunk
Active Member
i agree it's a great marketing move by Tesla, and the time is phenomenal considering that it was done while other manufacturers were lapping at the same time. However, I think when this was first announced, we all assumed it was going to be the Raven out there. So it's a bit of a bummer that we still don't know what a Raven can do on the Ring.
A person calling himself Ed Niedermeyer apparently created that account to write the following TMC message to me, approximately 10 months ago, with various ways to contact him:
"Niedermeyer, Oct 26, 2018
Are you Elon Musk?
Hey Fact Checking, I'm a reporter for Automotive News. Sorry to bother you here, but I didn't know how else to reach you.
I couldn't help but notice that a lot of people in the Market Action thread think you are Elon Musk and you haven't really denied it. I've also read through a lot of your posts, and I totally see why people think you are Elon. In fact, it's pretty tough to imagine who else you might be. And it's not just me... my editors find the evidence convincing enough to have asked me to write a story about the situation.
So I pretty much have to just blurt it out: are you Elon Musk? More specifically, does Elon Musk or anyone who works for him directly or indirectly post from the "Fact Checking" account?
If I have the wrong end of the stick here and the answer to both of the above questions is "no," I have no interest in doxxing a non-public-figure. If there is no public news interest in the identity of the person or people behind the "Fact Checking" account and you can prove it, I would keep any personally-identifying information you share confidential. That said, I do need some kind of evidence one way or another.
If you are not Elon I think the best way to proceed would be for you to give me a call or text at five four one five two zero five six two two (Signal or Whatsapp are fine if you prefer), or drop me an email at edward.niedermeyer [at] gmail [dot] com and/or eniedermeyer [at] crain [dot] com.
If you are Elon, it should be super easy to prove. You could call me, email me from a Tesla or SpaceX account or even just tweet something about Vienna so I know this is you.
Thanks in advance for getting back to me about this.
Ed Niedermeyer"
(I never tried to call or text the (+1)-5415205622 number, or tried to contact the [email protected] or [email protected] email addresses to verify whether that's Edward Niedermeyer or not, so these might just be fake and part of an elaborate prank.)
So this message is why someone claiming to be the "Tesla Deathwatch" guy has an account on TMC apparently, and no, I'm not Elon, nor connected to him in any direct or indirect fashion.
I'm really curious how Niedermeyer is going to explain his past views about Tesla in a couple of years, should Tesla reach 1 trillion dollars in market valuation.
I'm Elon Musk.
In all fairness to me, I loaded up at mid 245 on the way back down...not at 254. My take was that the highs would be retested in short order. But TSLA not a regular stock, even as far as volatiles are concerned. Those time values will get you on the short term options. And of course, three days later.....
Doggydogworld
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Your link says the Model 3 LR pack is "6% lighter than Tesla’s most advanced battery in the P100D*" on a kWh/kg basis. This gives us Model S 100 kWh pack of:
100 kWh * (480 kg / 78 kWh) * 1.06 = 652 kg
But note the asterisk:
*P100D and Model S85 pack weights adjusted upwards to include AC charger and DC-DC converter since M3 pack weight includes those items.
I don't know how much weight they added for those two boxes, maybe 25 kg? So call it ~625 kg for Model S 100 kWh pack.
186 kg is an order of magnitude too much. The cooling tubes are already counted in the module weight. Watch a S/X pack teardown video - once you lift the modules out all that's left is the structure itself and a few kg of plastic and circuit boards. Wiring weighs a few kg, not 180+ kg.
I don't know where your 129 Wh/kg number originated. It might be a misprint or something. Or Jack may have misspoke (it happens).
There 6% difference InsideEVs quoted is almost entirely due to the Model 3 pack's lack of structural side rails. Moving structural weight from the pack to the car body doesn't materially save weight, it just puts it in a different place.
But but but....
Ether a sound of purpetual flatulence... Or integrate the vision system and having the car call out the Death Race 2000 point value for each pedestrian could be so amussing.
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
Welcome to the club. I've faced poverty 4 times in my life. Got pretty efficient at it. Still practice some of the skills from time to time so I don't get rusty. Hopefully this will be the last time Tesla makes members of TMC feel poorer.
"when it's can be done". There is no strategic sense in his announcements. He is looking for possibilities and challenges his team to realize them in the shortest time possible.
Considering demand pressure and relative simplicity of the required changes I would say that in the october 2020 plaid Teslas will be sold in California.
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