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That was both hilarious and yet sad at the same time. I had no idea Australia was so backwards on EV's. :rolleyes:

What I wish for is that all Australians who watch that try to imagine the reaction of a Norwegian visiting here in the coming years. The noise, the smell, the vibration of buses, ferries and taxis. It’s really going to be like going back in a time machine.
Yes it’s sad. If I think about it I get freaking angry, so I don’t. I deliberately avoid the evening news and live with my head in Tesla land instead - a place where there’s hope.
 

Jeez the responses to SNL re: Elon Musk on this twitter post are completely negative. They apparently believe the following: "This is great inspiration to everyone. If you inherit a bunch of money and then spend your time calling people pedos, forcibly exposing workers to covid, and denying science, you too may be able to poorly deliver jokes written by other people on network TV!"

So sad to see how they've got it so wrong....

 
Jeez the responses to SNL re: Elon Musk on this twitter post are completely negative. They apparently believe the following: "This is great inspiration to everyone. If you inherit a bunch of money and then spend your time calling people pedos, forcibly exposing workers to covid, and denying science, you too may be able to poorly deliver jokes written by other people on network TV!"

So sad to see how they've got it so wrong....

It seems to me, Elon's way (and he's not an heir to any kind of money, btw) is better than squandering your time and money yapping stupidities over things you can't control anyway. Those negative people should try to find some positive use of their resources instead. No need to emulate Elon, but please be better than those examples.

I abstain from any further politicization here.

Edit: Probably should have said "refrain" instead, but that might infer a song and a dance ... :p
 
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Add the state of Ohio: New levy added to annual license plate renewal. Added $100 for BEV and $200 for EV.

Cost me an additional $400 this year to not buy gasoline.
@1101011 did you mean PHEV for the $100?

@Mengy

Don't think Australia is that alone, it's more than Ohio

Here's a rundown of the states that currently charge electric-vehicle owners added fees, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures:

California: $100 annual fee for a zero-emissions vehicle. Starting in January 2021, annual increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Colorado: $50 annual fee for full-electric and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles.

Georgia: $200 annual license fee for “noncommercial alternative fueled vehicles,” including EVs, but not PHEVs (unless the owner requests an alt-fuel license plate). The fee is automatically adjusted on an annual basis.

Idaho: $140 annual fee for EVs; it’s $75 for PHEVs.

Illinois: $100 annual fee for EVs beginning July 1, 2019.

Indiana: $150 annual fee for EVs; it’s $50 for hybrids and PHEVs.

Michigan: $135 annual fee for non-hybrid electric vehicles weighing less than 8,000 pounds; it’s $235 for those weighing more than 8,000 pounds. The state charges hybrid owners an extra $47.50 and PHEV drivers an added $117.50. These fees are indexed to the state gas tax and would rise incrementally if it is increased.

Minnesota: $75 annual fee on EVs.

Mississippi: $150 fee on EVs and a $75 fee on hybrids. Beginning July 1, 2021, these fees will be indexed to the inflation rate.

Missouri: $75 annual fee on EVs, and $37.50 on PHEVs.

Nebraska: $75 annual fee on alternative-fuel vehicles, including EVs.

North Carolina: $130 on plug-in vehicles, including EVs.

Oregon: $110 annual fee on PHEVs beginning on January 1, 2020.

South Carolina: $120 biennial fee for EVs; it’s a $60 biennial fee for hybrids.

Tennessee: $100 annual fee for EVs.

Utah: $60 annual fee for EVs; it increases to $90 in 2020 and $120 in 2021. Hybrids are assessed a $10 fee that rises to $15 in 2020 and $20 in 2021. It’s currently a $26 annual fee for PHEVs that jumps to $39 in 2020 and $52 in 2021. In 2022 increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Virginia: $64 annual license for EVs.

Washington: $150 annual fee for EVs.

Wisconsin: $100 annual fee for EVs.
 
Jeez the responses to SNL re: Elon Musk on this twitter post are completely negative. They apparently believe the following: "This is great inspiration to everyone. If you inherit a bunch of money and then spend your time calling people pedos, forcibly exposing workers to covid, and denying science, you too may be able to poorly deliver jokes written by other people on network TV!"

So sad to see how they've got it so wrong....

Whoa - Elon having fun/ taking a break May 8, that sounds like BULLISH for Monday Q1 !

Note also Say 's question re DWS has passed half a million shares voted The count was at 367.9K shares Wednesday - you can still vote your shares, good for highlighting this new future source of revenues, see post 258,408 and this one on DWS

I wish a way could be found so more people can get that watching Elon / Tesla / SpaceX developments in all their dimensions in real time is like no other show on earth. Stendhal once said he got the inspiration for his novels from reading the court proceedings in a small town. Reality *is* way more surprising/ entertaining than one can imagine. Except for some uber geniuses of course.



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He joins the board of a media talent company and suddenly on SNL.
And all of a sudden now we figure out why he joined the board of such a seemingly random company.

Maybe Elon has finally figured out he needs to do a media blitz because he's about to permanently pass Jeff Bezos as the world's richest man. He's let the narrative be about nonsense like emerald mines and pedo guys and Corvid for far too long. He will actually need public support for the Mars colony whether he personally cares about it or not and hopefully he's coming around to this.
 
@1101011 did you mean PHEV for the $100?

@Mengy

Don't think Australia is that alone, it's more than Ohio

Here's a rundown of the states that currently charge electric-vehicle owners added fees, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures:

California: $100 annual fee for a zero-emissions vehicle. Starting in January 2021, annual increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Colorado: $50 annual fee for full-electric and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles.

Georgia: $200 annual license fee for “noncommercial alternative fueled vehicles,” including EVs, but not PHEVs (unless the owner requests an alt-fuel license plate). The fee is automatically adjusted on an annual basis.

Idaho: $140 annual fee for EVs; it’s $75 for PHEVs.

Illinois: $100 annual fee for EVs beginning July 1, 2019.

Indiana: $150 annual fee for EVs; it’s $50 for hybrids and PHEVs.

Michigan: $135 annual fee for non-hybrid electric vehicles weighing less than 8,000 pounds; it’s $235 for those weighing more than 8,000 pounds. The state charges hybrid owners an extra $47.50 and PHEV drivers an added $117.50. These fees are indexed to the state gas tax and would rise incrementally if it is increased.

Minnesota: $75 annual fee on EVs.

Mississippi: $150 fee on EVs and a $75 fee on hybrids. Beginning July 1, 2021, these fees will be indexed to the inflation rate.

Missouri: $75 annual fee on EVs, and $37.50 on PHEVs.

Nebraska: $75 annual fee on alternative-fuel vehicles, including EVs.

North Carolina: $130 on plug-in vehicles, including EVs.

Oregon: $110 annual fee on PHEVs beginning on January 1, 2020.

South Carolina: $120 biennial fee for EVs; it’s a $60 biennial fee for hybrids.

Tennessee: $100 annual fee for EVs.

Utah: $60 annual fee for EVs; it increases to $90 in 2020 and $120 in 2021. Hybrids are assessed a $10 fee that rises to $15 in 2020 and $20 in 2021. It’s currently a $26 annual fee for PHEVs that jumps to $39 in 2020 and $52 in 2021. In 2022 increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Virginia: $64 annual license for EVs.

Washington: $150 annual fee for EVs.

Wisconsin: $100 annual fee for EVs.
In Colorado, half the annual fee goes to funding EV incentives. I have no issues paying the Colorado EV tax since (in theory) I am paying road use taxes with it.
 
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A question for those of us living in the US - do these states have more oil and/or fossil car industry than the rest of the US? Or is it just a general idea of taxing anything new that isn't already?

@1101011 did you mean PHEV for the $100?

@Mengy

Don't think Australia is that alone, it's more than Ohio

Here's a rundown of the states that currently charge electric-vehicle owners added fees, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures:

California: $100 annual fee for a zero-emissions vehicle. Starting in January 2021, annual increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Colorado: $50 annual fee for full-electric and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) vehicles.

Georgia: $200 annual license fee for “noncommercial alternative fueled vehicles,” including EVs, but not PHEVs (unless the owner requests an alt-fuel license plate). The fee is automatically adjusted on an annual basis.

Idaho: $140 annual fee for EVs; it’s $75 for PHEVs.

Illinois: $100 annual fee for EVs beginning July 1, 2019.

Indiana: $150 annual fee for EVs; it’s $50 for hybrids and PHEVs.

Michigan: $135 annual fee for non-hybrid electric vehicles weighing less than 8,000 pounds; it’s $235 for those weighing more than 8,000 pounds. The state charges hybrid owners an extra $47.50 and PHEV drivers an added $117.50. These fees are indexed to the state gas tax and would rise incrementally if it is increased.

Minnesota: $75 annual fee on EVs.

Mississippi: $150 fee on EVs and a $75 fee on hybrids. Beginning July 1, 2021, these fees will be indexed to the inflation rate.

Missouri: $75 annual fee on EVs, and $37.50 on PHEVs.

Nebraska: $75 annual fee on alternative-fuel vehicles, including EVs.

North Carolina: $130 on plug-in vehicles, including EVs.

Oregon: $110 annual fee on PHEVs beginning on January 1, 2020.

South Carolina: $120 biennial fee for EVs; it’s a $60 biennial fee for hybrids.

Tennessee: $100 annual fee for EVs.

Utah: $60 annual fee for EVs; it increases to $90 in 2020 and $120 in 2021. Hybrids are assessed a $10 fee that rises to $15 in 2020 and $20 in 2021. It’s currently a $26 annual fee for PHEVs that jumps to $39 in 2020 and $52 in 2021. In 2022 increases will be indexed to the consumer price index.

Virginia: $64 annual license for EVs.

Washington: $150 annual fee for EVs.

Wisconsin: $100 annual fee for EVs.
 
A question for those of us living in the US - do these states have more oil and/or fossil car industry than the rest of the US? Or is it just a general idea of taxing anything new that isn't already?
There isn't a clear line of reasoning. CA also gives a ton back in rebates. It tends to be more of a red state thing but not by much. Probably more about how well funded the local politicians are by big auto and oil.
 
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Elon hosting SNL with Miley Cyrus as musician.

I totally forgot Musk was roped into taunting MontanaSkeptic by one twitter troll, then responded to another twitter troll making fun of both MontanaSkeptic and Cyrus.

Oh wait, those twitter trolls were me, and @Lycanthrope :cool:
 
Sorry if I’m repeating someone else’s idea, but regarding advertising ...I agree that, given current demand, Tesla advertising it’s cars seems unnecessary and a waste of money. But eventually advertising FSD may be very worthwhile, both in terms of educating people about its benefits and safety as well as increasing the take rate. There‘s plenty of room to grow that and it’s basically pure margin. Most advertising targets potential new customers. This would bring in revenue from both new and current customers.
 
A question for those of us living in the US - do these states have more oil and/or fossil car industry than the rest of the US? Or is it just a general idea of taxing anything new that isn't already?

Most states fund their roads with a gasoline tax.

EVs obviously pay $0.00 in gas tax- so they have to make up the lost funding somewhere.

As more EVs get on roads expect to see this done in more states.

The $130 I pay for the EV tax is still (pre-covid anyway) significantly less than I paid in a year in gasoline tax with my last ICE vehicle, so I'm still "ahead" of ICE owners in that regard (on top of the massively less I pay for the actual 'fuel' itself with an EV)