StealthP3D
Well-Known Member
So, you're saying their charges of massive accounting fraud by Tesla management are not supported by the evidence?
Whew! Dodged that bullet! I was getting worried!
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Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable
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So, you're saying their charges of massive accounting fraud by Tesla management are not supported by the evidence?
Whew! Dodged that bullet! I was getting worried!
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Tesla will be upgraded to investment grade later this year by S&P after it meets a bunch of metrics rarely other investment grade companies need to meet like 18% ebitda margins.
Nolimits
Member
What a load of bull. Should be investment grade already. Don’t understand what more that need to prove. This q1 they executed flawlessly. Q2 will be challenging. So it seems like q3/q4
jhm
Well-Known Member
You missed my upstream post where I suggested that Elon might not need any incentive package to keep running Tesla.
But along the lines of non-financial incentives, Musk could agree to run Tesla if held by X.
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This is the same with Amazon too. They generally don’t have to their suppliers until 60 days afterwards.
Considering how long S&P dragged their feet before adding TSLA to the index, is this in any way surprising? The Chairman of S&P is probably a friend of Jim Chanos.
larmor
Active Member
Definitely not investment grade this is “booking profits grade “, as all units are already pre-ordered and committed to buyers in the face of rising costs and rising prices. Investment grade would mean some risk and uncertainty where people would risk their capital to back a venture that will eventually sell some product which might produce a profit.
insaneoctane
Well-Known Member
Yes, but how many of the others posted a bonus dollar EPS? Timing is everything...
ZachF
Active Member
That’s because the most important metric of all towards S&P deciding your company being investment grade is that company depositing resources towards upper level employees of S&P.
Doing this makes your investment more safe, like mortgage backed securities.
Yes, one wonders about the effectiveness of an incentive plan where tranches are worth less than his daily fluctuations in net worth.
The Accountant
Active Member
These Analysts !!! Did you ever see a more clueless bunch?
They project Free Cash Flow (FCF) in 2022 to be below 2021 FCF of $5B.
Tesla already guided 2022 capital expenditures (capex) to be between $5B-$7B about the about the same as 2021.
How do you deliver 50% more revenue growth and have FCF decline with Capex flat to prior year?
Q1 alone delivered $2.2B . . .I'm projecting over $12B in FCF for 2022 . . .it'll be raining money in Q3 & Q4.
ThisStockGood
Still cruising my Model S 70 2015
Nothing like those small premarket explosions in $TSLA.
In the past the day Yahoo updates the PE the stock has had a bull run. They have updated the day after earnings or several days after in the past. Let’s see.
Because they are in on the fraud. So is the SEC, DOJ, Whitehouse, etc. These people are crazy and/or stupid.
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$TSLA Shanghai official says they produced around 600 vehicles on Tuesday and are continuing to ramp up production
$TSLA Shanghai official says they produced around 600 vehicles on Tuesday and are continuing to ramp up production
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
The media accounts I’ve seen of the Q1 earnings reflect a transformed mindset. The skeptical, uninformed media no longer can ignore the operational and financial success of this company. This media mindset will quickly trickle into the general public. It’s taken far too many years, but our forum’s point of view is now becoming mainstream.
That said, I doubt the media and general public will ever get to the next level of appreciating how vast the opportunity is for Tesla to expand, and so general skepticism over the stock price will be endemic.
Live with it. Profit from it.
That said, I doubt the media and general public will ever get to the next level of appreciating how vast the opportunity is for Tesla to expand, and so general skepticism over the stock price will be endemic.
Live with it. Profit from it.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Exactly. The challenge for Elon isn't technology it's humanity.
There is a lack of scarcity experiment going on right now. It is called lottery winners.
Abundance comes with it’s own “issues”. Meaning and purpose beats out abundance every time in my view.
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