lack of braking grip could be a factor for regen too?Great update. I can't wait to see some test numbers for the P zero Elect, my biggest gripe with the MXM4s is the lack of braking grip and I hope the P Zeros are better for that.
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lack of braking grip could be a factor for regen too?Great update. I can't wait to see some test numbers for the P zero Elect, my biggest gripe with the MXM4s is the lack of braking grip and I hope the P Zeros are better for that.
Not sure what you mean. I'm talking about pressing on the brake pedal and engaging the physical disc brakes, the MXM4s lose grip and the ABS engages much earlier than they would with stickier tires. For day to day, sane, comfortable driving, MXM4s are fine. For damp and wet roads, they're merely acceptable. For emergency braking, or pulling higher Gs on twisty canyon roads, they're quite a ways behind the best all season tires available.lack of braking grip could be a factor for regen too?
I believe so. I switched from MXM4 to DWS06 many years ago and regen felt stronger immediately after the switch. I suspect the car limits regen based on tire slip.lack of braking grip could be a factor for regen too?
Will you be getting any of the snow that is expected in California? If so curious to how they perform in snow.I have got almost 4,000 miles driven on the Elects. So far I am really satisfied and happy with them.
These tires perform very well when it comes to keeping road noise at a stable and non-intrusive level and how they handle broken pavements/potholes. We had a lot of rainstorms in the past weeks/months in SoCal and these tires handled very well and provides a lot of confidence. Will do my rotation at around 5k mark and I should know how good/bad the tread wear is by then.
Might not be able to provide any insight about that, snow is something I have been trying to avoidWill you be getting any of the snow that is expected in California? If so curious to how they perform in snow.
RIght, I believe rolling resistance is also a factor in making the PZero's Elect betterI believe so. I switched from MXM4 to DWS06 many years ago and regen felt stronger immediately after the switch. I suspect the car limits regen based on tire slip.
when my mx4’s were worn out I replaced them with a set of P Zero all seasons. I noticed road noise right away but I eventually got used to it. They got roughly 15watts per more worse than the stock tires. Those wore out a little quicker, lasting only 37k miles, and I replaced them with with the electric version. Thanks to the prorated warranty from the p zeros AS they were less $700 installed!
So far I’m happy with them. It feels exactly like the p zero all seasons but I’m really happy to have the dampening foam back.
Might not be able to provide any insight about that, snow is something I have been trying to avoid
super solid tires... got mine in summer 2022 and definitely slightly quieter than the stock Michelin Primacy MXM4s with similar efficiency but a slightly better ride.A first hand review of the tires would also be helpful.
super solid tires... got mine in summer 2022 and definitely slightly quieter than the stock Michelin Primacy MXM4s with similar efficiency but a slightly better ride.
A Model 3 Performance is lighter than a Kia Stinger GT2. Anything with 500+ HP is going to be heavier than a Tesla Model 3 Performance.prorated warranty is the best thing ever for EVs. They're so heavy that almost guaranteed to use. Great that Pirelli and Michelin make it ez to use (at least w/ DT)
I think the main difference is the types of people buying those cars. People buying a 500+ HP ICE car will be a small group of enthusiasts who understand tire-tradeoffs and have accepted the need for increased maintenance/wear costs vs a conventional vehicle.The equivalent BMW EV weighs something like 1,000 lbs more. Tesla Model 3 vehicles are actually light weight for their power. They don’t wear out tires any faster than other 500+ HP cars do.
A Kia Stinger weighs 4,100+ lbs, an Acura TLX Type-S weighs 4,200 lbs. I guarantee the people that buy those cars never talk about how they need to get special tires for their cars because they are so heavy. They still have to get XL tires just like a Tesla Model 3 would require. The Tesla Model 3 isn’t heavy at all.I think the main difference is the types of people buying those cars. People buying a 500+ HP ICE car will be a small group of enthusiasts who understand tire-tradeoffs and have accepted the need for increased maintenance/wear costs vs a conventional vehicle.
But there are many M3LR and especially M3P buyers who come from average cars who never would have considered such equivalents in ICE.
I don't think most people should be buying the M3P anyway, the disadvantage of range, efficiency, tire wear and ride are not what most people would prefer.
Agree. I think the main issue is people buying the P with summer performance tires and low treads and then saying it eats tires because of the weight.A Kia Stinger weighs 4,100+ lbs, an Acura TLX Type-S weighs 4,200 lbs. I guarantee the people that buy those cars never talk about how they need to get special tires for their cars because they are so heavy. They still have to get XL tires just like a Tesla Model 3 would require. The Tesla Model 3 isn’t heavy at all.
There is an all season Elect in this size but not a summer as far as I can tell.Sorry if this info is buried somewhere in this thread, but is there a Pirelli P Zero Elect for the 2019 M3 Dual Motor 18"? I can't see the 18" tire size at all for the Elect's, much less the 235/45R18 (not sure what the acceptable speed/load index should be).