ACarneiro
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As I’m considering to make the “upgrade” to a MX (or S), I would be interested to know why you’d want to “downgrade” to a MY? Is it the size?
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UK Model Y Order Book Open
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Yes, different suspension, wheels and brakes. The YP will also get the powerful 980 rear motor, whereas the LR would normally get the 990 motor and occasionally a 980 if there is a shortage of 990s but the LR software to limit power.
Not moving from MX to MY due to size of MX. My personal circumstances mean I don’t any longer need the cavernous MX any more as I have retired and grandchildren no longer require space for prams or buggies.
The potential value of selling my 2018 MX100D tempted me to send it to one of the specialist EV traders to sell it and move to the smaller SUV MY which I did not expect to be available in early 2022 hence the bridging M3LR. My MX is with Simon Jones if you are looking for a blue one owner 5 seater!
I have just ordered a Y, LR Grey Turbine wheels. Black interior. I though it might be useful to share my experience looking into the alternatives.
I am currently a M3P owner, had the car 2 years, quite low mileage and loved every minute if it I know what I am getting into with Tesla. The Mrs' car is up for renewal (Volvo XC60 diesel - horrible) so we decided we were brave enough now to go 100% electric. Mrs doesn't love the Tesla, (thinks its showy) so was keen to get something else so I took her out to testdrive a q4 e-tron and an ID4.
It wasn't pretty, First of all if you think you can get a car immediately because there are a few floating around on autotrader think again. The Dealers are putting their demonstrators on to keep people interested but they wont let you have them until they can replace them and that will be March so unless you are very lucky there isn't much you can buy. Additionally due to the chip shortage you basically cant buy a German car with a reversing camera! or an etron with a Pano roof (does the roof open? is that why it needs a chip?) I really expected to be pretty impressed with the q4 e-tron and while it was pretty nice inside there was still plenty of piano black and cheap plastics in the rear. The headliner is dark grey so without the pano roof its surprisingly claustrophobic. I did like the heads up display and the cabin was very quiet.
The ID4 also failed to impress, cumbersome to drive, poorly equipped, even more Piano black and cheap plastics. Visibility is terrible, as tested by my dogs shadowing the car on the driveway and I couldnt see where they were.
But the abiding memory of both cars was slowness this was the midrange q4 (40) and the ID4 was "pro performance" and they both felt sluggish, especially on the motorway I am sure this is a deliberate choice by Audi to leave room for faster model. Shows they are not "all in" on EV's yet.
Finally neither VW or Audi wernt going to get me a car till March realistically
So after the test drives I sat down the Mrs for a heart to heart, reminded her about dog mode (dogs very important) looked up the better boot space, frunk, better software, sentry mode (very important) and we ordered the Y. Lots of people keep telling me the German competition is coming and I am not a fanboi I am open minded.... but with my own eyes and ears (and other senses) Tesla are still a long way ahead
PS the Y is a lot more expensive than either the E-tron or the ID4 we test drove. Guess you get what you pay for.
I am currently a M3P owner, had the car 2 years, quite low mileage and loved every minute if it I know what I am getting into with Tesla. The Mrs' car is up for renewal (Volvo XC60 diesel - horrible) so we decided we were brave enough now to go 100% electric. Mrs doesn't love the Tesla, (thinks its showy) so was keen to get something else so I took her out to testdrive a q4 e-tron and an ID4.
It wasn't pretty, First of all if you think you can get a car immediately because there are a few floating around on autotrader think again. The Dealers are putting their demonstrators on to keep people interested but they wont let you have them until they can replace them and that will be March so unless you are very lucky there isn't much you can buy. Additionally due to the chip shortage you basically cant buy a German car with a reversing camera! or an etron with a Pano roof (does the roof open? is that why it needs a chip?) I really expected to be pretty impressed with the q4 e-tron and while it was pretty nice inside there was still plenty of piano black and cheap plastics in the rear. The headliner is dark grey so without the pano roof its surprisingly claustrophobic. I did like the heads up display and the cabin was very quiet.
The ID4 also failed to impress, cumbersome to drive, poorly equipped, even more Piano black and cheap plastics. Visibility is terrible, as tested by my dogs shadowing the car on the driveway and I couldnt see where they were.
But the abiding memory of both cars was slowness this was the midrange q4 (40) and the ID4 was "pro performance" and they both felt sluggish, especially on the motorway I am sure this is a deliberate choice by Audi to leave room for faster model. Shows they are not "all in" on EV's yet.
Finally neither VW or Audi wernt going to get me a car till March realistically
So after the test drives I sat down the Mrs for a heart to heart, reminded her about dog mode (dogs very important) looked up the better boot space, frunk, better software, sentry mode (very important) and we ordered the Y. Lots of people keep telling me the German competition is coming and I am not a fanboi I am open minded.... but with my own eyes and ears (and other senses) Tesla are still a long way ahead
PS the Y is a lot more expensive than either the E-tron or the ID4 we test drove. Guess you get what you pay for.
There's something about the competition that I can't quite put my finger on. It's like they do their usual things (build quality, materials, etc) well enough, often better than Tesla, but the final product is just off somehow. It's like they all lack a certain je nai sais quoi.
It sortof reminds me of the assortment of Android phones you can get, running their respective manufacturer-customised software. If you happen to gel with them, then it's ok, but if you don't, and if you've had experience of other stuff that "just works" - suddenly the discordant nature of them really sticks out. It's like - none of the phones are bad in their own right - but something about them is missing.
The UIs in these cars in particular feel like they haven't really moved on. They have bells and whistles, HUDs and such (which would be nice in a Tesla) but the fundamentals are stuck in the past. I also have strong doubts about how much the old school manufacturers will be pushing customers to carry on following the usual "service", "checkup", "inspection" intervals, just to maintain that secondary revenue stream. Tesla don't do that - they don't tell you that you need to spend money unnecessarily.
People have been saying the competition have been coming for years, and whilst it's true there is more to choose from now, they still seem to be stilted and anachronistic.
It sortof reminds me of the assortment of Android phones you can get, running their respective manufacturer-customised software. If you happen to gel with them, then it's ok, but if you don't, and if you've had experience of other stuff that "just works" - suddenly the discordant nature of them really sticks out. It's like - none of the phones are bad in their own right - but something about them is missing.
The UIs in these cars in particular feel like they haven't really moved on. They have bells and whistles, HUDs and such (which would be nice in a Tesla) but the fundamentals are stuck in the past. I also have strong doubts about how much the old school manufacturers will be pushing customers to carry on following the usual "service", "checkup", "inspection" intervals, just to maintain that secondary revenue stream. Tesla don't do that - they don't tell you that you need to spend money unnecessarily.
People have been saying the competition have been coming for years, and whilst it's true there is more to choose from now, they still seem to be stilted and anachronistic.
drivingmrte5la
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Any particular reason you’re going from a P to LR? That’s quite a performance hit for the Y
drivingmrte5la
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Pretty much exactly this from my end too.
Drive the same current car (my wife loves it though), test driven e-tron grown up version and the baby Q4. Was woefully underwhelmed by the Q4 especially as I'd been tracking it for so long as my wife loved the look of it and it was really the only car she has wanted. However, I told her my opinion was that it really wasn't worth the money and re-iterated what the salesperson said which is that we'd be waiting at least six months for one anyway.
Fast forward to Friday when I was referred to Onto to get a car that was 'leccy and available immediately (which it wasn't), I checked my inbox to verify my Onto account and there was the Model Y email.
Immediate order. Wife is over the moon.
I know the timescales have the musk of Musk all over them, but just glad they're available and happy to be in the queue.
Watching far too many youtube presentations recently, but trying to pull things together I've concluded I will keep my M3 LR until mid 2023.
Why?
By then all Ys will come from Berlin, they will have the new cast front and rear understructure and new battery packs. They may then be offering the new funky colour options and more in car entertainment stuff, too.
Then I'll order a MYP and have a 5 door hatch that has 99% of the performance of my M3 LR.
Happy days!
Why?
By then all Ys will come from Berlin, they will have the new cast front and rear understructure and new battery packs. They may then be offering the new funky colour options and more in car entertainment stuff, too.
Then I'll order a MYP and have a 5 door hatch that has 99% of the performance of my M3 LR.
Happy days!
Hi after ordering a Q4 etron in June and still waiting with no confirmed DD, I’ve swapped to ordering MY LR white, I have more confidence in Tesla delivering early 2022 than Audi pull there finger out.
I do have a question whilst I have ordered there appears not ability to finance/lease the model Y yet, I assuming this will be an option later in the year?, my intention is to transfer my PN number to my works salary sacrifice provider when they understand the lease costs.
I do have a question whilst I have ordered there appears not ability to finance/lease the model Y yet, I assuming this will be an option later in the year?, my intention is to transfer my PN number to my works salary sacrifice provider when they understand the lease costs.
Oh no its the diesel Volvo that is getting replaced. You would have the wrestle my M3P out of my cold dead hands. I love that car. Being a two Tesla household is not really my style though. Definitely going to accused of being a Musk worshipper and that's not me. But the products are good IMO and they are available.
Getting out of the M3P and into an E-tron was definitely a performance hit
Envchem
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To be fair the only way we could see the Rivian coming over is if they decide to build a factory here (as they rumors go at least). It is quite big indeed, not far off from the Cybetruck.
I think either of Rivian or Tesla would have to create a revised/downsized version of their pickups if they want to sell in Europe.
A Cybertuck the size of a Ford ranger I would buy it in a heartbeat
Drew57
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When looking at the newly opened UK order pages for the Model Y LR and P the WLTP mileage ranges shown appear very low compared to the equivalent MIC Model 3s.
I called by for a discussion at my local SC this afternoon - we looked at the UK, Singapore and Hong Kong Long Range Model Y. All three show different mileage ratings with Hong Kong using by default, 20" Induction wheels but longer WLTP range than the UK which seems illogical given that 'turbine' styles are assumed to reduce range rather than increase.
UK 19" Gemini WLTP = 315m
HK/Macau 20" Induction 542km WLTP = 337m
Singapore/China 19" Gemini 640 km NEDC = 398m
He couldn't tell me the size of battery pack (or wasn't allowed) but agreed that logically all MIC RHD Model Ys should be using the same. He was going to message the Tesla UK team to see if the UK ratings are correct given how far short they fall against an equivalent MIC Model 3 LR which is slightly narrower, shorter, lower and lighter but not by the % difference in equivalent range (we didn't do the same comparisons for Model 3s or the P Model Y).
I called by for a discussion at my local SC this afternoon - we looked at the UK, Singapore and Hong Kong Long Range Model Y. All three show different mileage ratings with Hong Kong using by default, 20" Induction wheels but longer WLTP range than the UK which seems illogical given that 'turbine' styles are assumed to reduce range rather than increase.
UK 19" Gemini WLTP = 315m
HK/Macau 20" Induction 542km WLTP = 337m
Singapore/China 19" Gemini 640 km NEDC = 398m
He couldn't tell me the size of battery pack (or wasn't allowed) but agreed that logically all MIC RHD Model Ys should be using the same. He was going to message the Tesla UK team to see if the UK ratings are correct given how far short they fall against an equivalent MIC Model 3 LR which is slightly narrower, shorter, lower and lighter but not by the % difference in equivalent range (we didn't do the same comparisons for Model 3s or the P Model Y).
Interestingly the LR EU Models Y's in the Netherlands, Germany etc. are listing the WLTP to be 507km which = 315mi
Bjorn does an interested look into the Battery Pack on a MIC Model Y in Norway here. - Which shows the nominal full-pack to be 75kWh.
However this was on a car Built in July/August. Online reports are showing at the beginning of October that in China the Model Y has been recertified to have a 40kw range boost. Possibly showing that they're now putting in 82kWh packs in the MY in the China factory. Possibly in the next few months we'll see the WLTP range be updated.
Mr H
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Different testing protocols, we used to have NEDC here and it was terribly optimistic so forget that one.
Tesla have been using estimated figures even for EPA so I’m not sure you can conclude much from the figures but EPA and WLTP which are the 2 main measuring systems now are usually within 10% of each other, I wonder if one of those is estimated and/or based on the EPA figure.
Tesla have been using estimated figures even for EPA so I’m not sure you can conclude much from the figures but EPA and WLTP which are the 2 main measuring systems now are usually within 10% of each other, I wonder if one of those is estimated and/or based on the EPA figure.
Llama.
Lurking somewhere up North
I admit to having a small amount of buyers remorse with my LR M3 I purchased in March 2021, when reading this post. I will by coveting that hatchback.
I’m going to tell myself that I would want to wait for ‘hardware version 2’ of the Model Y with the 4680 batteries , front and rear castings etc,
There is no sign of these being available for U.K. order any time soon.
I reckon I’ll be at least 2 years into my 4 year PCP before I get properly jeolous of U.K. Model Y owners.
I’m going to tell myself that I would want to wait for ‘hardware version 2’ of the Model Y with the 4680 batteries , front and rear castings etc,
There is no sign of these being available for U.K. order any time soon.
I reckon I’ll be at least 2 years into my 4 year PCP before I get properly jeolous of U.K. Model Y owners.
Yep, I find the range to be quite disappointing and enough so that I haven't ordered when I intended to order on day 1. I have a M3LR rated for 360mi, highest I've seen during 100% is 338mi and in the cold weather on a long trip it's 200-250mi at best. I wanted to go for the MYP but going down to 298 would be too much for me. Hopefully either they upgrade all to 82kwh (or 90) batteries/find weight improvements/savings with the new MY. 298mi just doesn't cut it for £70k imo.
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