TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker or making a Paypal contribution here: paypal.me/SupportTMC

Where is the "frame" made?

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by Al Sherman, Jul 21, 2013.

  1. Al Sherman

    Al Sherman It's about THIS car.

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    1,692
    Location:
    Batesville, IN
    Maybe I should have put this in the "anti-EV gibberish" section.

    A friend who likes to take random "potshots" at my car recently said something about the MS frame being made in the UK. He vaguely referenced an interview by Charles Gibson on Good Morning America. I haven't seen any reference to such an interview.

    I don't truly care about it. I'm totally aware that buying a complex product anywhere that is totally sourced from any one country, or geographic area even is almost impossible. I HAVE seen where Tesla estimated that 55% of the Model S is sourced from North America. As I said, this is beside the point for me.

    But specifically to respond to my know it all friend:

    Does the Model S have a "frame" per se?
    Aren't the Body, Battery enclosure, and "frame" made and assembled robotically at Fremont?
     
  2. DaveVa

    DaveVa Sig Perf #236 VIN #484

    Joined:
    May 31, 2011
    Messages:
    280
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    #2 DaveVa, Jul 21, 2013
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2013
    The Roadster chassis was a Lotus. Made in the UK. The Model S "frame" is made in Fremont CA.
     
  3. Al Sherman

    Al Sherman It's about THIS car.

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2012
    Messages:
    1,692
    Location:
    Batesville, IN
    Thanks. Any references so I can shut him up.:wink:
     
  4. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Messages:
    12,764
    Location:
    Texas
    There is a Wired video of the factory in Fremont, CA.
     
  5. meloccom

    meloccom Moderator Aus/NZ

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2008
    Messages:
    1,320
    Location:
    Sydney Australia
    I don't think Tesla publishes any data regarding US content of the Models S, although Elon has made mention to many components being sourced from the USA.
    However you could send him the link to the Bloomberg video showing the frame being stamped and manufactured in the Freemont factory. Bloomberg visits Tesla
     
  6. evme

    evme Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2013
    Messages:
    616
    Location:
    NY
  7. jerry33

    jerry33 S85 - VIN:P05130 - 3/2/13

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Messages:
    12,764
    Location:
    Texas
    Tesla had to specify the North American content when shipping the Model S to Canada. It was 55%.
     
  8. gnelson

    gnelson Member

    Joined:
    May 26, 2013
    Messages:
    557
    Location:
    Houston
    I bet your friend is totally jealous of your Model S and is trying to disguise his inadequacy.
     
  9. dhrivnak

    dhrivnak Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2011
    Messages:
    2,150
    Location:
    NE Tennessee
    If I recall the National Geographic special on Tesla (Mega factories) available on YouTube shows a good bit of the manufacturing process at Fremont. It is well eorth watching.
     
  10. bollar

    bollar Disgruntled Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2013
    Messages:
    2,243
    Location:
    Southlake, TX
    #10 bollar, Jul 21, 2013
    Last edited: Jul 21, 2013
    I can't confirm this link's validity, but for comparison, it suggests the Volt is 40%:

    U.S./Canadian parts content: 40%
    Major source of foreign parts content: Korea 20% (the batteries)
    Engine: Austria
    Transmission (Electric Drive Unit): Japan

    Read more: Chevy Volt costing taxpayers up to $250K per vehicle in govt subsidies (Indiana, how much) - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - Page 2 - City-Data Forum

    Google+

    Ah, here's a window sticker. 46% in 2012:

    File:2012 Chevrolet Volt window sticker 01 2012 0483.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

    The Leaf is also 45%.

    Chevrolet Corvette and Cadillac CTS are 70%.
     
  11. AmpedRealtor

    AmpedRealtor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2013
    Messages:
    4,711
    Location:
    Buckeye, AZ
    Fremont. Not Freemont.
     
  12. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    15,487
    Sure. Me. And everybody else that went with me on the factory tour on 2013/07/12. Unless the entire factory team has magic as a significant second skill such that they pulled an incredibly elaborate hoax, I saw parts of the car frame made at the various presses and saw the assembly by the main line.

    It is a fantastic experience, but a little scary if you watched the Terminator series and have an active imagination.
     
  13. Doug_G

    Doug_G Lead Moderator

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2010
    Messages:
    15,853
    Location:
    Ottawa, Canada
    This is simply confusion between the Roadster and the Model S. True for Roadster, as the bodies were built by Lotus in the UK. False for Model S, as Tesla is building them in-house.

    Best reference: National Geographic Megafactories Trailer on Vimeo
     
  14. Andrew Wolfe

    Andrew Wolfe Roadster 472 - S 440

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2011
    Messages:
    573
    Location:
    Los Gatos, CA
    And, of course, most of that 45% foreign content is the Panasonic battery cells.
     
  15. brianman

    brianman Burrito Founder

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2011
    Messages:
    15,487
  16. CapitalistOppressor

    CapitalistOppressor Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2012
    Messages:
    1,621
    This is true whether you are talking value, or part count/weight. Outside of the batteries, by far most o what we think of as going into making a "car" is produced from scratch at the tesla factory. Certainly the frame and body is virtually 100% produced by Tesla, just as most (or all) of the drivetrain, excluding the batteries, is.
     
  17. mknox

    mknox Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2012
    Messages:
    8,570
    Location:
    Toronto, ON
    Is this by weight, volume or dollar value? I never really understood this metric.
     
  18. drees

    drees Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2009
    Messages:
    1,121
    Location:
    San Diego
  19. Jeff N

    Jeff N Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,138
    The Volt's gas engine is already made in the USA now and the battery cells are being made in Michigan starting this summer.
     
  20. bollar

    bollar Disgruntled Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2013
    Messages:
    2,243
    Location:
    Southlake, TX
    Makes sense. The 2012 Volt increased to 46%:

    2012_Chevrolet_Volt_window_sticker_01_2012_0483.jpg

    - - - Updated - - -

    The 2012 and 2013 Leaf primary window stickers don't include the foreign parts content, so it has been difficult to research. I did find this article on greencarreports that suggests that ~80% of the content is domestic. That's a huge variance from the link -- perhaps that person got it backwards?

    http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1084088_2013-nissan-leaf-driven-through-tennessee-countryside

    Unfortunately, the 2013 is not included on the NHTSA database yet. The 2012 is all Japanese, of course: http://www.nhtsa.gov/Laws+&+Regulations/Part+583+American+Automobile+Labeling+Act+%28AALA%29+Reports
     

Share This Page