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Cameras.. Hence why they don't work properlySo. Tesla has no wiler sensor? How does the auto wipers work then?
I think you're right. The network is where the government should be concentrating on, and it seems like they aren't at all. I just can't see EVs lasting if people who don't have a drive, or live in a flat can't charge their car at home. Hydrogen, will end up taking over in the long term if that can't be fixed.In the UK EV sales will stall because the low voltage domestic power distribution system will not meet demand and as a result the Government will keep on extending the sales window for PHEVs.
Hydrogen power will be the 2030 rising star.. both fuel cell and ICE.
Physics & economics say no to hydrogen for car fuel.In the UK EV sales will stall because the low voltage domestic power distribution system will not meet demand and as a result the Government will keep on extending the sales window for PHEVs.
Hydrogen power will be the 2030 rising star.. both fuel cell and ICE.
The “legacy goliaths” have no choice but to change because otherwise they will simply cease to exist.I’m not convinced by this. The “legacy goliaths” have no choice but to change because otherwise they will simply cease to exist. They are spending huge amounts of money on R&D on electric vehicles - and other technologies too.
When I first joined this forum I was ridiculed for suggesting that Tesla would have any meaningful competition in the next TEN years. Just a couple of years on and there are many viable alternatives, and there are lots of new models in the pipeline. In three years time the SuC network might well be opened up to other makes and Tesla will have lost one of its biggest advantages.
You also have to remember that lots of people very rarely use public chargers and are not particularly interested in the latest battery tech or the very best in efficiency. If you just wanted a car that had reliably working windscreen wipers and auto headlights then a Tesla wouldn’t even be on your list.
As for thinking how great they are - Elon Musk won that prize many years ago. He is the undisputed master of over promising and under delivering.
I guess the assumption is that Tesla won't adapt to changing conditions and e.g. make a cheaper model once they max out the market they are currently in. But I just don't think that is a reasonable assumption given the track record. Why bother with cheaper models right now when they literally can't make cars fast enough? For all we know the cheaper model is already designed and ready to go... Ten years is a long time and a lot can happen, so I'm not saying you're wrong at all. I'm just really curious to see people's longer-term predictions.If national moves to electric cars continue then charging infrastructure will have to have happened, losing Tesla that edge. Tesla are an expensive fashion brand with comparisons to the Apple saga but that doesn't mean that the majority of people car afford them. Huge car companies such as Toyota will have had to switch to pure EV and will make cars to fit all those niches whereas Tesla will continue to aim at the higher paid of society despite past claims of a model 2 etc.
-The continuing stories of failed Tesla promises will alienate non fashion-conscious customers. Let's face reality - the majority of folk on here are far wealthier than average and owning 50K cars is daydream time for average punter.
There are a few ways this can go - wealthier folk moving to a new range of high end cars when charging infrastructure is sorted 'cos they want working cars without quirks and average Joe settling for 150mile range Escorts, Clios, Astras, Aygos etc. Tesla may still command a financial position amongst them but no longer have the volume position. Or true autonomy finally works and folk just order a car when they need one and don't own at all.
Apple isn't a luxury item though? I see them both as similar because they rely a lot on hype and image. They are both simple to use and both do their own things (lightening cables as opposed to USB-c adopted by the rest of the world and mandated in the EU/tesla not using the same auto wipers as the entire rest of the car industry as examples), ignoring the rest of the industry. When you drill down into it the public image is different from the actual product quality.I’m surprised people see Tesla as an ‘apple’ or luxury type item. It’s totally not at all. My work car park is full of teslas, you should have seen the excitement when someone had a Kia EV6 to test(along with orders placed).
They need to keep the supercharger network ‘closed’ and keep expanding it. That’s the only way they’ll grow.
The polestar 2/ev6/new i4/ionic 5, just a few that work better as car, all without the charger network.
Let’s hope, panel gaps get tighter, the charger network grows and stays closed, thinks like wipers and lights start working, looks get better in model refreshes and competition slows down.
So. Tesla has no wiler sensor? How does the auto wipers work then?
An iPhone is a luxury item because you can get something that does pretty much the same job for a 6th of the price i.e. a basic Android.Apple isn't a luxury item though? I see them both as similar because they rely a lot on hype and image. They are both simple to use and both do their own things (lightening cables as opposed to USB-c adopted by the rest of the world and mandated in the EU/tesla not using the same auto wipers as the entire rest of the car industry as examples), ignoring the rest of the industry. When you drill down into it the public image is different from the actual product quality.
The public image dictates that Tesla ARE EVs in the same way people think Apple ARE smartphones and tablets. It's painful because there's less of a chance to talk rationaly about these products as people get an emotional attachment to them. For example: I assume the EV6 is a better overall car than the Model Y in the same way the Samsung S21 is a better phone than the iPhone 13. However I wouldn't want to debate either assumption because I know Apple and Tesla have a "fanbase" in a way the 2 Korean companies don't. For every quantifiable fact you could come up with as to why the Korean made product was better, you'd get an absolute swarm of people insulting you and stating why they FEEL the American made products are better.
That's why I equate Apple and Tesla.
It is comparable to an iPhone, as in for most a car as a necessity or at the very least a much more convenient thing to have than public transport. It's also significantly more complex than a phone. paying four figures for a phone is clealry a luxury, as is paying 40 grand for a car. Both are "luxury" in cost only. Neither provide an experience that you would describe as "luxury". Both are extremely functional. Almost to a fault.Tesla is definitely a luxury item.. it's priced and marketed as such. We are in a bubble on these forums full of people who can afford cars like that but the average cost of a new car is only £15k and only peaks at £35k for SUV sized cars. Most people aren't buying new cars either.
Second hand of course doesn't even have a meaningful average.. although looking at the local garage I'd guess around 5k here.
It's not really comparable to iphone.. most people could borrow or save 1k if they really want one.