Why not buy a Mustang Mach-E?

[asa8080]

A good article explaining about charging "standards" and why everyone cold be Betamax here
Competing Electric Car Charging Standards Can Be Easily Fixed

BTW ability just to plug and pay after is much more convenient than having bunch of cards to tap first
Tesla also put billing protocols into the charging plug, so you can just drive up to a supercharger and plug in and it all works — plug and play. With all other stations, billing is done a dozen different ways, usually by tapping a card or a phone with the right app onto the station before you can pull out the cord.

The companies don’t resolve this partly because there are differences, but largely because of pride and stubbornness. When you put your effort into something, you want it to be the winner. The many manufacturers who got together to make CCS feel proud that they cooperated while Tesla stayed proprietary. Tesla feels obvious pride that theirs is better and much more widely deployed and useful.

Tesla’s adapter does only Chademo because it happens that both Chademo and Tesla Superchargers use the same data protocol over the wire. Teslas made for Europe can talk the protocol used in CCS. Eventually, as CCS wins over Chademo outside of Japan, Tesla will probably create an adapter able to do the hardware end of the protocol conversion and do the rest in software.

 

[bpon89]

Just get the Tesla and forget the Mach E. You'll see that all the pros will far outweigh any cons or any incoming competitors. With Tesla you have backing of years of EV models S, 3, and X. Y is amazing, affordable, and will save you money over ICE cars for sure. Why get a year 1 Mach E? Everyone wants to be a Tesla killer or competitor but like the new Cadillac LYRIQ coming in 2022, that's so laughable because Tesla will be way ahead of the game by then.

 

[ZsoZso]

Proprietary nav on every brand is DEAD. All major brands have abdicated nav to Apple Carplay and Android Auto (EXCEPT TESLA). Waze and Google Maps are far better than any proprietary solution (including Tesla).

There is one tiny problem with your statement I bolded, it is the fact that the system you refer to as "Tesla proprietary solution" is actually none other than Google maps. It says right on the lower right corner of the map if you bother to look on any Tesla screen...

Oops, there goes your argument up in flames.

Spoiler: image of tesla screen

 

[DanDi58]

There is one tiny problem with your statement I bolded, it is the fact that the system you refer to as "Tesla proprietary solution" is actually none other than Google maps. It says right on the lower right corner of the map if you bother to look on any Tesla screen...

Oops, there goes your argument up in flames.

That's good, I actually prefer Google Maps to Waze. I find the latter a little too 'video game' for my tastes. As a Realtor, I use Google Maps a LOT and like the idea I will have the same info on several devices (iPhone, iPad, Tesla).

 

[FredMertz]

Here's my reality. Two times I've have dealerships order a custom configuration of a rare model at MSRP only to have them stab me in the back and return my deposit.

Will Ford do that? No, but their Dealers can.[/QUOTE

And that's the key difference between any experience you have had and this -- you are buying this car directly from Ford and picking it up at the dealer of your choice. Based on the link I sent, you can choose to pay more or you can choose to pay less. It's the American way.

 

[Bridor]

If they really wanted to complete with Tesla, they would outfit the Mustang with a Tesla connector so they would have access to the Supercharger network. I owned a Jaguar i-Pace briefly and the Electrify America charging network was the worst. One time, it cost me more to recharge my car (not to mention the hour waiting) than if I had used a gas SUV. Another time, the only fast charger available wasn't working and I had to get a hotel room for the night (luckily I found a free slow charger nearby). I just took a trip from Phoenix, Arizona to Kirkwood, California in my 6-year old Tesla with 192K miles and it was a delight (especially using my custom bed).

I remember the VHS versus Betamax war. The only reason VHS won (inferior tech) was because they had porn.

Today, the only charging network that is viable for long-distance travel is the Tesla Supercharger network. When I first bought my car, I was able to drive to New York and back - try that today with any other manufacturer and you will have major issues. I wrote to Jaguar when I preordered the i-Pace and begged them to use the Tesla charger. They didn't and I am now wishing I had never purchased the vehicle in the first place. If they had used the Tesla network, they would have had better sales. A lot of people are like me - we want to be able to use our vehicles to be able to go anywhere, anytime. I do not like to fly - I love having my Tesla with me when I travel.

We should all write to everyone in power urging them to make the Tesla charging adapter the standard.

Brent

 

[jsight]

Proprietary nav on every brand is DEAD. All major brands have abdicated nav to Apple Carplay and Android Auto (EXCEPT TESLA). Waze and Google Maps are far better than any proprietary solution (including Tesla).

But I get it, proprietary charging cables and proprietary nav is what Tesla is all about. Enjoy your Betamax and Lightning cable until the cool-aid hangover wears off.

Doesn’t Audi have a nice Google Maps satellite view right in front of the driver? I’d think that would be nice even with the available phone-based stuff.

 

[rxlawdude]

If they really wanted to complete with Tesla, they would outfit the Mustang with a Tesla connector so they would have access to the Supercharger network. I owned a Jaguar i-Pace briefly and the Electrify America charging network was the worst. One time, it cost me more to recharge my car (not to mention the hour waiting) than if I had used a gas SUV. Another time, the only fast charger available wasn't working and I had to get a hotel room for the night (luckily I found a free slow charger nearby). I just took a trip from Phoenix, Arizona to Kirkwood, California in my 6-year old Tesla with 192K miles and it was a delight (especially using my custom bed).

I remember the VHS versus Betamax war. The only reason VHS won (inferior tech) was because they had porn.

Today, the only charging network that is viable for long-distance travel is the Tesla Supercharger network. When I first bought my car, I was able to drive to New York and back - try that today with any other manufacturer and you will have major issues. I wrote to Jaguar when I preordered the i-Pace and begged them to use the Tesla charger. They didn't and I am now wishing I had never purchased the vehicle in the first place. If they had used the Tesla network, they would have had better sales. A lot of people are like me - we want to be able to use our vehicles to be able to go anywhere, anytime. I do not like to fly - I love having my Tesla with me when I travel.

We should all write to everyone in power urging them to make the Tesla charging adapter the standard.

Brent

You have first hand experience as to exactly why I have always warned folks against buying non-Tesla EVs if they intend to use it as their regular vehicle. Ridiculous cost DCFC charging networks and many non-functioning stations (did I mention slower charging than Supercharging?).

Other manufacturers are just going to have to admit defeat on the DCFC road-trip charging front.

 

[Silver Rocket]

The Mustang Mach-E arguably has the better brand name. It is also faster and has a better interior!

Buy!

 

[LasVegas2019]

Too bad the dealers are doing $15k mark ups on the Ford. Sort of negates the $7500.

Someone would be insane to pay over invoice for one but like WC Fields said..there's a sucker born every minute.

 

[MrTuna]

If they really wanted to complete with Tesla, they would outfit the Mustang with a Tesla connector so they would have access to the Supercharger network. I owned a Jaguar i-Pace briefly and the Electrify America charging network was the worst. One time, it cost me more to recharge my car (not to mention the hour waiting) than if I had used a gas SUV. Another time, the only fast charger available wasn't working and I had to get a hotel room for the night (luckily I found a free slow charger nearby). I just took a trip from Phoenix, Arizona to Kirkwood, California in my 6-year old Tesla with 192K miles and it was a delight (especially using my custom bed).

I remember the VHS versus Betamax war. The only reason VHS won (inferior tech) was because they had porn.

Today, the only charging network that is viable for long-distance travel is the Tesla Supercharger network. When I first bought my car, I was able to drive to New York and back - try that today with any other manufacturer and you will have major issues. I wrote to Jaguar when I preordered the i-Pace and begged them to use the Tesla charger. They didn't and I am now wishing I had never purchased the vehicle in the first place. If they had used the Tesla network, they would have had better sales. A lot of people are like me - we want to be able to use our vehicles to be able to go anywhere, anytime. I do not like to fly - I love having my Tesla with me when I travel.

We should all write to everyone in power urging them to make the Tesla charging adapter the standard.

Brent

ummm.. Tesla won’t let a non-tesla use their network. It’s a competitive advantage. It would help their competitors immensely to do so.

 

[john5520]

The main reason I would not buy a Mach-e is because it's a Ford. The Ford of today isn't the same company it used to be. 10 years ago? I wouldn't hesitate. Today, I would not touch one with a 10-ft pole. I've seen what the F-150 and Mustang guys are going through with engine, transmission and A/C problems, and how Ford is turning a blind
eye and can only imagine them doing the same Mach-e. I lurked the Mustang forums for a long time hoping to pick up a 2018 GT, but boy oh boy, I could not bring myself to pay that kind of money for problems. There was a Ford representative on the forums (like what Dodge has) that would answer questions and offer assistance. They disappeared after
a while, never to be seen again. Not sure if they're back, but it's doubtful.

And we know it's going to have issues. On paper it looks great. Nice inside, great price, good performance (although I'm not totally buying that mid 3 second claim until I see it). Looks are OK. A recipe for a winner and we need more EVs on the road, but.....buyer beware!

 

[Dennisis]

The main reason I would not buy a Mach-e is because it's a Ford. The Ford of today isn't the same company it used to be. 10 years ago? I wouldn't hesitate. Today, I would not touch one with a 10-ft pole. I've seen what the F-150 and Mustang guys are going through with engine, transmission and A/C problems, and how Ford is turning a blind
eye and can only imagine them doing the same Mach-e. I lurked the Mustang forums for a long time hoping to pick up a 2018 GT, but boy oh boy, I could not bring myself to pay that kind of money for problems. There was a Ford representative on the forums (like what Dodge has) that would answer questions and offer assistance. They disappeared after
a while, never to be seen again. Not sure if they're back, but it's doubtful.

And we know it's going to have issues. On paper it looks great. Nice inside, great price, good performance (although I'm not totally buying that mid 3 second claim until I see it). Looks are OK. A recipe for a winner and we need more EVs on the road, but.....buyer beware!

But their panel gaps? I hear they’ll be impeccable....

 

[pusheen]

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That's good, I actually prefer Google Maps to Waze. I find the latter a little too 'video game' for my tastes. As a Realtor, I use Google Maps a LOT and like the idea I will have the same info on several devices (iPhone, iPad, Tesla).

To be clear, that means they license the maps themselves. Google maps is the maps layer. The garbage navigation software layer is proprietary Tesla. It (along with the Spotify integration) were my only major software complaints from my recent test drive.

 

[Gigaron]

How are the self-driving capabilities of the Mustang? Does summon work well? How about the fart app?

 

[rxlawdude]

How are the self-driving capabilities of the Mustang? Does summon work well? How about the fart app?

Unlike Tesla's human fart app, the MMe will come amply equipped with road apples.

 

[carlosnunezhtx]

You are 100% right - absence of Android AUTO / Apple carplay is ridiculous in 2020. Tesla allows itself to do this because demand is still high. When real competition will come, this will change.

i still don’t understand the need for CarPlay/AA for Teslas. While I love those systems, I always thought of them as good alternatives to crappy infotainment systems. Tesla infotainment is incredible (IMO) and feature-rich.

what would CarPlay/AA bring to the table?

 

[MP3Mike]

There is one tiny problem with your statement I bolded, it is the fact that the system you refer to as "Tesla proprietary solution" is actually none other than Google maps. It says right on the lower right corner of the map if you bother to look on any Tesla screen...

Oops, there goes your argument up in flames.

Spoiler: image of tesla screen

But that isn't true. Yes, the map displayed on the screen is Google maps, but the navigation is all Tesla proprietary and uses offline maps. (Navigation will work, with full addresses, even when you have no network connectivity and the Google maps can't be displayed.)

 

[MorrisonHiker]

ummm.. Tesla won’t let a non-tesla use their network. It’s a competitive advantage. It would help their competitors immensely to do so.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk said he'd be fine with other companies using the supercharger network if they paid for it.
Tesla might let other companies use its Supercharger network

 

[FredMertz]

i still don’t understand the need for CarPlay/AA for Teslas. While I love those systems, I always thought of them as good alternatives to crappy infotainment systems. Tesla infotainment is incredible (IMO) and feature-rich.

what would CarPlay/AA bring to the table?

There would be no need for it if Tesla opened up their app store to some incremental very popular apps.