Pretty clear full coverage for snow/icy conditions will require Hardware 4. So for anyone contemplating using your car as a robotaxi just assume your service won't be operational during active snow/ice conditions. I wouldn't think that would be too much of a problem since it wouldn't be that often and most people would rather stay home anyway.Needless to say FSD didn't do well during our snow storm yesterday. But like AP it did do good this morning on partially covered roads. Our turn lane entrance to the office park was blocked with plowed snow. the car simply stayed on the main road and turned right instead of driving through the snow banks. The computer did it like it knew what it was doing, and didn't want to scratch the paint. A lot of the roads were partially covered.
Yesterday as soon as the sensors got covered in snow FSD wouldn't operate. I had ice all around the car with many sensors reporting blocked. Last night on my way home my windows were even frozen shut. Got around 6" of snow.
The car has continued to do well in the rain on roads that I had driven before.
Our X got FSD this week with a 97 safety score.
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Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I've had both NoA and FSD disable themselves, or drop to limited functionality, from just moderate or heavy rain... which happens a bit more often than snow.
(most commonly one of the front fender cams gets a smear of water on it and it claims it's blocked when this happens- though this morning I had NoA keep going in and out of working when one of the B pillar cams was in direct sunlight- the sunlight failure is much more rare than the rain one though)
SilverString
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Yes lots of work to be done. None-the-less 10.8 it is the best improvement I have seen since entering the program in late October with 10.3.1.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
That was truly amazing. I loathe every time that I have to drive to or through NYC because it always feels like I am in a Driver's Ed movie from 1955. Jaywalkers, cyclists, double parked vehicles, crazy detours and cars parked but poking out into traffic... This video is the best argument for mass transit that I've ever seen.
But that said, FSD beta handled it better than I expected. It maybe handled it better than I could have done. It's almost as if FSD beta's timidity in some situations and agressiveness in others is perfectly suited to driving in NYC.
But that said, FSD beta handled it better than I expected. It maybe handled it better than I could have done. It's almost as if FSD beta's timidity in some situations and agressiveness in others is perfectly suited to driving in NYC.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Except in terms of fatalities it’s much lower than the rest of the country so maybe it’s also an argument for cities?
243 traffic deaths per year in a city of 8.4 million.
This situation seems very similar to another shared with r/TeslaLounge where FSD Beta seems to have a false positive VRU detection and wants to go around. But oddly not high enough confidence to render on screen but perhaps briefly high enough to path around:Exactly correct yes, straight road, one lane each way, double yellow.... Nothing on screen, and nothing on the road for it be going around. rough location can be seen here:
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Were you driving south/west on Orange Grove with more mailboxes on that side? I've definitely noticed a lot of false positive VRUs/pedestrians visualized for mail boxes throughout FSD Beta.
When you say it signaled, do you remember if it was before initiating the crossing yellow or after to return to your original lane? This original video of the similar situation had the right turn signal on:
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I don't recall an especially large # of mailboxes but wasn't paying that near attention.
Turn signal was definitely left and PRE lane change... because I recall noticing it turned on, thinking "WTF is the turn signal on fo....OH SHITAKE IT IS CHANGING INTO THE ONCOMING LANE TAKING OVER NOW...."
Turn signal was definitely left and PRE lane change... because I recall noticing it turned on, thinking "WTF is the turn signal on fo....OH SHITAKE IT IS CHANGING INTO THE ONCOMING LANE TAKING OVER NOW...."
diamond.g
Active Member
I haven't had it try this yet on all the "country backroads" I take so far. Since getting 10.8 I have not had the opportunity to try out the Pungo Ferry Rd way to my parents house yet (pretty much all rural back roads). On 10.5 it did okay, if you ignored the phantom braking. Maybe I will be able to give it a try this weekend.
TravelFree
Active Member
Has anyone noticed ever since the latest updates our miles range has dropped significantly?
My Model S now loses 2.4 miles of range for every road miles traveled.
My Model Y now just lost 110 miles of range driving 40 miles at an average of 50 miles per hour.
This change happened after the latest set of updates immediately on the next drives.
I wonder what could cause this.
My Model S now loses 2.4 miles of range for every road miles traveled.
My Model Y now just lost 110 miles of range driving 40 miles at an average of 50 miles per hour.
This change happened after the latest set of updates immediately on the next drives.
I wonder what could cause this.
Thanks that's a very good point! I will immediately have to adjust my detailed business-model spreadsheet in planning out my billion-dollar robotaxi empire!
I mean you're absolutely right, I need to be all ready for my inexorable market takeover into Utah, Colorado and points north...
Darn it, I knew I shouldn't have hard-coded Divine Interference as a zero-valued constant in the Visual Basic assumptions header...
TravelFree
Active Member
planetary
EndlessCheese spreader
Is this just a change in GOM rating, or real world range (e.g. moving once-usable capacity to into the top or bottom buffers)? If just the former, a more realistic GOM is not necessarily a bad thing.
We've had extremely heavy snow in interior Alaska over the past 2 weeks, it's been interesting testing Beta lately. A couple things I've noticed:
- Edge detection on 100% snow covered roads is pretty good. The car is placing the edge of the road about where I would estimate it to be.
- The road is very rough here right now from a snow/ice storm, there appears to be no accommodation for rough parts of the road. No weaving around potholes as I would.
- No accommodation for clearly visible ice when making maneuvers. However on entry to a small skid coming around a corner too fast, it did seem to catch itself
- Edge detection on snowy roads is poor in flat light/low contrast conditions. The same road at night with headlights was fine.
- It sees moose as pedestrians!
TravelFree
Active Member
I'm hoping this is just my inexperience with cold temperature drives. One 40 mile drive used 60 miles of battery range drop when the temperature was 40°F
Later that afternoon the temperature was 65° and the return trip, 40 miles lost 49 miles.
diamond.g
Active Member
Depending on climate settings and road speed I think that sounds about right.
Energy display is gone from center dash on my MS using FSD 10.8 Is this true for all of you as well? I swear it was there before 10.8 upgrade -- and certainly when on highway in standard auto-pilot. It only displays when it reverse and maybe in D for a few seconds then disappears. thanks
TravelFree
Active Member
planetary
EndlessCheese spreader
Envious of all the data that these "legacy" Model S owners have on the instrument cluster display.
Envious of all every other Tesla having energy graphs of any kind.
Dammit, Tesla. Bring the energy data displays to the new Model S!
Envious of all every other Tesla having energy graphs of any kind.
Dammit, Tesla. Bring the energy data displays to the new Model S!
Reddy Kilowatt
Active Member
I was going to post similar event, but you got them. I guess the moose is a little larger than a person so a Human symbol would work. I never see Dogs getting walked on my display just the human half. The moose will certainly put a big dent in your car if not total it.
I drove another 120 miles today in the residual snow. No real issues other than the different behavior.
The car will take the plowed snow banks and treat that as the new curb and or move over to the other lane is available.
twice it ran into the unplowed area instead of changing lanes. it quickly disengaged and had me take over when the ride got real rough.
on black Ice it didn't seem to care, if I broke traction it told me to grab the wheel but did not disengage.
Turning the car went wide of the new snow curbs.
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