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Wow, look at those renderings. Looks like Tesla might be adding another revenue stream - roadside cafeterias (or something similar).
Also, I count 112 supercharger stalls...
You could say they sort of hinted at it: "Tesla will continue to lead the industry with the fastest, most advanced charging technology in the world and continue to build the only cars capable of leveraging that power."
erthquake
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Also another opportunity to sell solar roof and Powerwalls.
Edit: And maybe even tickets to Mars
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erthquake
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Another aspect that is completely lost on the shorts when they tout incoming competition.
Have you followed the link that shows their plans for Superchargers in 2017? (It shows 8 new locations in Oregon, 13 in Washington, 17 in BC, Canada. Most, but not all, of them say they are planned to be open by the end of the year.)
erthquake
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Anyone else notice the white and dark orange Model 3s in the supercharger render? Sure look nice
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/supercharger-expansion-01.jpg
https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/images/blogs/supercharger-expansion-01.jpg
Buddyroe
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Dang, videos like this scare the crap out of me. While the statistics still show the rate of fires in Tesla are very low, seeing a car burn into NOTHING, while the ICE counterpart is still largely intact makes me realize that there is SOME truth to the whole burning batteries story the haters like to push. Also, it is fairly obvious here that the X caught on fire and then it spread to the Focus (one picture shows the X consumed in fire while the Focus barely has a fire at the very front of the car).
Just like everything else, the truth is somewhere in the middle. While the batteries are not nearly as dangerous as the haters like to tell everyone, they also aren't nearly as safe as we Tesla fans want to believe. Tesla cars that catch on fire almost always burn completely with nothing like but a frame when the fire is extinguished. Had those people not been able to exit the car, there was absolutely ZERO chance of survival. That statement may also be true of the Ford Focus.
I sure wish we could get better stats on car fires - especially by model year. If most ICE car fires are in cars 5 year or older, then that cannot be compared with the rate of fires in Tesla's cars since Tesla doesn't have cars over 5 years old yet (the Roadster withstanding since there simply aren't enough to really gather meaningful stats from).
I have been looking to buy my wife, and eventually my daughter a Tesla for a couple of years now. But, I can't lie. Videos like the one in the link give me great pause.
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Here are couple more remarks on the quoted post explaining my sarcasm on statement about "crowded field with a lot of competitors and solutions" and why I believe it is exaggerated and misleading.
- Regarding the "Holly Grail" and your emphasis on ES resolving the intermittency of renewable generation, this is just part of the picture. Another major part is that ES is infinitely more suited to the Grid ancillary services, including frequency support, due to the speed of the response and accuracy of control which simply can't be matched by any conventional power generation. In fact the largest BES installation outside of California is by RTO PJM. These installations were completed (a number of them by AES) some time ago, when cost of BES was significantly higher, without any SGIP benefits. Recently, however, the bulk of installation shifted toward the support of renewables because of the higher ROI they offer. This why your supposition that market might saturate/shrink once California needs associated with accommodation of renewable generation and potential expiration of the SGIP benefits is simply not accurate.
- Regarding the "many large, well-capitalized companies that have been pursuing the prize for decades", I do not see this as a limiting factor on the growth of TE business whatsoever. First the market for TE will in all likelihood outpace combined global production capacity of BES. Secondly, just in 2 years since it's forming TE made huge gains in market share, and in fact, *eclipsed* installed capacity of the one of the largest "well-capitalized companies", AE which is in the business of BES for 9 years
In January of 2016 total AES installed capacity was 166MW. Using the average Energy/Power ratio for all BES projects installed in US in Q4 2015, 1.63 (229.9MWh / 140.8MW= 1.63), this translates to a total installed capacity of 271MWh. Since the average Energy/Power ratio is on the rise due to increase in BES installations used to support renewables, this calculation is conservative in a sense that it overestimates total installed MWh capacity by AES. This compares to a total installed TE capacity of 398MWh. So in just two years TE installed capacity exceeded 9-year capacity of the of the BES market leader, AES by a significant 46%: 398MWh vs. 271MWh.
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The degree to which the car disappears has nothing to do with the batteries. All aluminium cars are reduced to a pile of ash, with a few steel parts mixed in.
Look for instance at what happens to a new Ford pickup: Ford F-Series Super Duty prototype reduced to smoldering mess of aluminum and steel [UPDATE]
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dennis
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I noticed that in some locations where they currently have superchargers (e.g. Gilroy CA) they show up as "coming soon". I assume this means they plan to expand in those locations. However they need to fix the map so the existing superchargers can be found.
erthquake
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What you need to look at is the speed at which a vehicle goes up in flames after a high-speed collision. ICE vehicles can spill gasoline and turn into an inferno IN SECONDS. A Tesla can indeed be destroyed by flames, but the process is slow enough to allow survivors an opportunity to exit the vehicle. This is the difference. Who cares about what happens to a totaled vehicle after the survivors have exited safely?
The one weakness for either a Tesla or an ICE is the type of accident that renders the occupant(s) unable to depart the vehicle under their own power before the vehicle is consumed. Fortunately, that is a very small percentage of such accidents in the case of Teslas. I am not familiar with any loss of life due to flames in one yet.
Thanks for the link. Anyone know how to force the link to NOT redirect to the german site?
My German ist nicht gut.Thanks for the link. Anyone know how to force the link to NOT redirect to the german site?
Yeah, my browser got stuck for awhile, refused to go back to English.
Charging Is Our Priority
erthquake
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Thanks for the link. Anyone know how to force the link to NOT redirect to the german site?
Here's the US version:
Charging Is Our Priority
They also have to be concern that rumors that it is coming soon could osborne even if the new system is already included in new cars going out now.
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