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2020 Shipping Movements
- Thread starter Mr Miserable
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A little early on the position report day not only because of a delightful Sunday lunch in the offing but because SILVER RAY is racing up the channel at 19kts. She is presently just 30 miles south of Selsey Bill and with just 150 miles to go she will be docking in Zeebrugge tonight.
She is due to leave for Southampton tomorrow at 16:00, so just a partial unload. She will arrive in Southampton on Tuesday morning (not Wednesday - my mistake) but will not leave until Wednesday evening. Now a lot of cars can be unloaded in that time and rumour has it 1600 are due .....
Meanwhile, 300 nautical miles north west of the Azores the GRAND VENUS continues to progress at 16.8 kts. She now has 1491 nm to go and the weather is looking good for the remainder of her voyage.
And so to lunch... hic....
She is due to leave for Southampton tomorrow at 16:00, so just a partial unload. She will arrive in Southampton on Tuesday morning (not Wednesday - my mistake) but will not leave until Wednesday evening. Now a lot of cars can be unloaded in that time and rumour has it 1600 are due .....
Meanwhile, 300 nautical miles north west of the Azores the GRAND VENUS continues to progress at 16.8 kts. She now has 1491 nm to go and the weather is looking good for the remainder of her voyage.
And so to lunch... hic....
LukeUK
Member
Based on this latest itinerary, it's looking much more likely that SILVER RAY is full of Model 3s?
What does that mean? That the cars were shipped across the US to load on at New York? Is that a new route for Tesla to ship Model 3s to the EU?
Do you have an idea on 'Alongside to collection' timescales? In theory, I guess you could deliver a car on the same day that it's driven down the ramp from the boat, but it seems unlikely that the process is that efficient?
Collection of my M3LR is scheduled for the morning of the 23rd. Based on a sensible timescale for unloading, transporting to Birmingham, PDI, etc. it seems more likely that the car is on SILVER RAY than GRAND VENUS?
Important, but OT question; Beef, lamb, pork or chicken?
What does that mean? That the cars were shipped across the US to load on at New York? Is that a new route for Tesla to ship Model 3s to the EU?
Do you have an idea on 'Alongside to collection' timescales? In theory, I guess you could deliver a car on the same day that it's driven down the ramp from the boat, but it seems unlikely that the process is that efficient?
Collection of my M3LR is scheduled for the morning of the 23rd. Based on a sensible timescale for unloading, transporting to Birmingham, PDI, etc. it seems more likely that the car is on SILVER RAY than GRAND VENUS?
Important, but OT question; Beef, lamb, pork or chicken?
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Fishy Fish
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These engines and the method of shipment are reasonably efficient in terms of CO2. They are just horrible polluters, mostly due to the lack of emission controls and the raw fuel they use. If you cherry pick the right numbers, they are thousands of times more polluting than rail.
LukeUK
Member
Here you go, some numbers;
Sea fairer: Maritime transport and CO2 emissions - OECD Observer
Shipping 10-15 grams per tonne-kilometre
Rail 19-41 g/tkm
Trucking 51-91 g/tkm
Aviation 673-867 g/tkm
I think the average for shipping will be based on container ships, which are a far more efficient shipping method than car transporters, so they're probably at the very top end of the 15 g/tkm, if not higher.
So, based on a Model 3 weighing 1.8 tonnes, and the journey being approx. 8000 nautical miles, or 15000 km, you're maybe looking at around 405,000 grams, or 405 kg of CO2!
If an average car produces 120 g/km, that's equivalent to around 3400 km or 2100 miles.
As discussed in the article, efficient yes, but still a massive amount of pollution globally, due to the scale of the industry.
Mr. M may well be able to put me straight on some of the numbers above....
hingus2000
Member
So what are the implications of Silver Ray potentially dropping off a bunch of M3s in the next few days, ahead of Grand Venus?
As far as I have seen, the majority of outstanding orders have deliveries scheduled in w/c 22 June (i.e. the week after this one). Do we think these are Silver Ray or Grand Venus cars? Does it take a week to get the cars to collection points? Could we have a bunch of earlier collections made available? Questions, questions!
As far as I have seen, the majority of outstanding orders have deliveries scheduled in w/c 22 June (i.e. the week after this one). Do we think these are Silver Ray or Grand Venus cars? Does it take a week to get the cars to collection points? Could we have a bunch of earlier collections made available? Questions, questions!
LongRanger
Active Member
Great info thanks, assume the weight of the ship needs factoring in as well ? Gross tonnage 50-70,000 tonnes or thereabouts ?
Aviation figures are scary. Sadly electric cars can do nothing to cut down on that side, it has needed an unprecedented global pandemic to do that - but the ships keep on shipping !
LukeUK
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I think the values from the article are for net payload, not based on gross tonnage, but it's not clear.
I went for the higher figure for the range given as I can't imagine the efficiency of a car transporter, in terms of cargo vs. gross tonnage is that good, compared to a container ship.
A 20 ft container is around 28 tonnes net, 30 tonnes gross, and it's got a similar footprint to two cars, which even with Tesla battery packs is less than 4 te.
The energy required to push a boat through water is based mainly on it's waterline length and how fast you want to go, I can't imagine cars make the best use of the volume of the boat and I imagine there are commercial pressures that generally push for speedy delivery, though chargeable fees vs fuel costs, the canal, dock fees and other running costs probably means margins are pretty lean, I guess?
I went for the higher figure for the range given as I can't imagine the efficiency of a car transporter, in terms of cargo vs. gross tonnage is that good, compared to a container ship.
A 20 ft container is around 28 tonnes net, 30 tonnes gross, and it's got a similar footprint to two cars, which even with Tesla battery packs is less than 4 te.
The energy required to push a boat through water is based mainly on it's waterline length and how fast you want to go, I can't imagine cars make the best use of the volume of the boat and I imagine there are commercial pressures that generally push for speedy delivery, though chargeable fees vs fuel costs, the canal, dock fees and other running costs probably means margins are pretty lean, I guess?
I actually got the same message from someone in Tesla, saying that my car was on the SILVER RAY. Additionally, I also got a confirmation for delivery in Drammen on June 23rd.
LukeUK
Member
Thanks. At what point will we know if M3's have been unloaded from Silver Ray in Zeebrugge, if at all?
The first interesting development so far today is the non-appearance of GRAND VENUS on the Southampton arrivals board for Saturday.
The Southampton VTS arrivals board is very reliable and is constantly updated.
So, either GRAND VENUS isn't departing Zeebrugge on the 19th or she isn't coming to Southampton.
(I was actually given a date of 23rd for the next shipment arriving in Southampton from a new source last month. That date has looked wrong to me for the last 2 weeks and with SILVER RAY entering the equation, I think I should ignore it completely.)
The next development I'm hoping for today is confirmation that SILVER RAY is carrying Teslas. I am sure @MGrove has his source on the docks at Zeebrugge on the case and it would be good to know for sure. Otherwise I can see me making the trip to Southampton docks tomorrow to check.
The Southampton VTS arrivals board is very reliable and is constantly updated.
So, either GRAND VENUS isn't departing Zeebrugge on the 19th or she isn't coming to Southampton.
(I was actually given a date of 23rd for the next shipment arriving in Southampton from a new source last month. That date has looked wrong to me for the last 2 weeks and with SILVER RAY entering the equation, I think I should ignore it completely.)
The next development I'm hoping for today is confirmation that SILVER RAY is carrying Teslas. I am sure @MGrove has his source on the docks at Zeebrugge on the case and it would be good to know for sure. Otherwise I can see me making the trip to Southampton docks tomorrow to check.
LukeUK
Member
Tesla-info gives the following information. I've entered a part-VIN number similar to my confirmed car VIN.
It's interesting that there's over 3000 cars missing from Tesla-info's data.
Silver Ray Left NYC on 06/06/20, so 2 weeks seems like plenty of time?
Likewise, Grand Venus left San Francisco on 28/05/20, so plenty of time to have loaded locally?
As I said earlier, I think the curfews, unrest etc in San Francisco and environs which caused delays to ASIAN GLORY's loading forced a decision to cancel a possible shipment via GLOVIS SUN and reroute, somehow, to the east coast.
(Assuming this isn't you Mr Miserable?) the thread here indeed suggests the cars were trucked to the east coast to go on the Silver Ray.
https://twitter.com/mortenlund89/status/1272158196245938177
https://twitter.com/mortenlund89/status/1272158196245938177
It's not me (I don't charge - he does).
He uses this thread as a source and hasn't contributed much to the thread.
You'll see him challenge me for the source of my info occasionally.
He was caught out, like me, by the SILVER RAY.
He uses this thread as a source and hasn't contributed much to the thread.
You'll see him challenge me for the source of my info occasionally.
He was caught out, like me, by the SILVER RAY.
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