The car does get better with software updates. Are you really expecting them to make your car faster and give it more range via software? Tesla is known to over-promise but I don't think they've ever come close to insinuating that this would be the case. It gets better in terms of features like auto-homelink, EQ Improvements and additional options installed via software that the car didn't originally ship with.
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75 and 75D variants increased performance from July 1st - software and hardware improvements?
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The car does get better with software updates. Are you really expecting them to make your car faster and give it more range via software? Tesla is known to over-promise but I don't think they've ever come close to insinuating that this would be the case. It gets better in terms of features like auto-homelink, EQ Improvements and additional options installed via software that the car didn't originally ship with.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Summary of updates here ... Tesla introduces new performance enhancements to Model S and Model X
Without going into details, a Tesla spokesperson confirmed to Electrek that they are rolling out new software and hardware improvements that are enabling those performance enhancements. Since the enhancements include hardware upgrades, those new specs are for new vehicles being built today and not the current fleet. The improvements are more significant for the base versions of the Model S. The Model S 75 and its dual motor version are both gaining a full second of acceleration from 0 to 60 mph:
Without going into details, a Tesla spokesperson confirmed to Electrek that they are rolling out new software and hardware improvements that are enabling those performance enhancements. Since the enhancements include hardware upgrades, those new specs are for new vehicles being built today and not the current fleet. The improvements are more significant for the base versions of the Model S. The Model S 75 and its dual motor version are both gaining a full second of acceleration from 0 to 60 mph:
- Model 75: 4.3 seconds down from 5.5 seconds
- Model S 75D: 4.2 seconds down from 5.2 seconds
- Model S 100D: 4.1 seconds down from 4.2 seconds
- Model X 75D: 4.9 seconds down from 6.0 seconds
- Model X 100D: 4.7 seconds down from 5.2 seconds.
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
FlatSix911
Porsche 918 Hybrid
Possibly an inverter upgrade like the Model 3 ...
Tesla Model 3 exclusive leaked specs: 300kW+ inverter architecture putting its power capacity near Model S
At a power electronic convention when he was working on the Model S powertrain, Straubel said:
“We are increasing the current rating (of the inverter) that’s the most tangible thing you see from a performance point of view. Every time we can push up the current in the inverter a little bit, we are able to get a little bit higher motor torque and that translate into a little bit faster 0 to 60 time, more responsive acceleration and those sort of things.”
The engineer went on to describe how Tesla is using off-the-shelf power electronics for the system:
“The power rating increases are largely enabled by better and better power electronics – transistors or IGBTs which is what we are using. As those improve, we can continue pushing up the current rating and continue increasing performance. If we can make the inverter just half a percent more efficient, that’s half a percent less battery pack that we have to put in the car or half a percent more range that the customer gets to have so it a very strong and virtuous feedback cycle with high efficiency.”
Humm, i just took delivery of my s100d 2 days ago. A 0.1s boost isn't too much but a part of me do hope that it can be done via a software push.
In any case, I am happy to see Tesla continuing to improve their products. These kind of upgrades will actually help all Tesla retain value as people continue to associate Tesla with the best cars.
In any case, I am happy to see Tesla continuing to improve their products. These kind of upgrades will actually help all Tesla retain value as people continue to associate Tesla with the best cars.
Wow. We really have different priorities and stress triggers.
If only the 2017 S was more like the 2014 S so we didn't get hit by depreciation and disappointment.
whitex
Well-Known Member
So how much $ hit are existing inventory 75/75D taking? In the past, Tesla would price out 1s of 0-60 between $10K-$20K (e.g. 85D-P85D, or 85 to P85, or P90D to P90DL). Will there be some brand new 75's starting at $60K before rebates and referrals, or does Tesla think there are still people who would rather get a car a month earlier in exchange for being 1s slower 0-60 (and no high powered charger which it seems is also becoming standard)? OR, is Tesla retrofitting the inventory cars?
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Pezpunk
Active Member
in other words, it's exactly like buying literally any tech product on the market. egads, the horror.
turbosimon
Member
Totally agree! I picked up a 75D last week and this really hurts! I feel like I overpaid for a year end model car. I should have purchased a CPO Tesla or other brand cars.
turbosimon
Member
Well, my one-week old 75D will not be much different than the Model 3. I just wasted $40k!! Thanks Elon.
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Except it's a $70k+ product, not a $3k laptop. It's tough with Tesla and their quarterly updates. Do you wait for next quarter then next quarter and so on since a brand new feature will be released shortly, and never end up buying? Or do accept that your car will be surpassed in a few months no matter what? Other cars are semi predictable in that generally new features are released on a Model Year basis with bigger features released every few years, as opposed to every 3 months.
CameronB
Member
As a recent (delivery mid June) Model S buyer with the 60 (software limited 75) battery (dual motor), I am a little bummed missed out on a 1.1 second 0-60 drop by a few weeks.
But I can't say I am surprised - I expected there would be some improvements (including speed) right before (and probably right after as well) Model 3 debut.
So if I expected changes why didn't I wait until after Model 3 debut to order Model S? Two reasons: 1) I got the last of the Model S 60Ds and had to have air suspension. As you know, that option was dropped from the 75 after the 60s were put to pasture. That means that to get the air suspension now, I would have to get the 100D. With the other options I had (SAS, UW seats, PUP, paint, etc) a 100D would have commanded too much of a premium. 2) its a tech product. Yes it's $100k instead of $500-$900 for a phone or a few $K for a computer...but it's still tech! It will get better - and cheaper. As people have said here, compare a 2017 75/75D to a P85 from a just a couple of years ago. One costs $75-80k and the other commanded $110k or more. And they perform similarly and have similar range. And the current car has standard features like all glass roof and power lift gate.
So if I had held out I would have had to spend another $15k to upgrade to a 100D (or slightly less for the 90D before it too went away)....and in 3 months or 6 months or 9 months had passed...there will be more/better/faster stuff added. If you wait, especially with Tesla, you will always be waiting.
It's not a secret. We know they change when ever...usually around the start of a new quarter. And Elon said if you can't accept that, then Tesla may not be the car for you because they are not going to stop.
I am still hopeful that perhaps we will get some speed bump through software alone. I think if it's possible - we will get it. If we don't get it, then it's probably not possible. Maybe it's only a few tenths w/o the new hardware. I'd still take it. But if I don't get any speed bump...I'll still love my new Tesla and won't sweat it.
I was the beneficiary of a small change (not so cool as a 1 sec 0-60 drop)...the console sliding cover is carbon fiber to match my carbon fiber decor. I understand that prior to sometime in May, these were matte black even if you had carbon fiber trim. So I got the new matching cover and I like it better. It's a small thing I know but there are probably some people who got cars in March or even April who wished they had the matching cover. Big or small, Tesla will keep improving things. Sometime you "win" and sometimes you "lose". But you will always get the best car that Tesla is making at that point in time.
But I can't say I am surprised - I expected there would be some improvements (including speed) right before (and probably right after as well) Model 3 debut.
So if I expected changes why didn't I wait until after Model 3 debut to order Model S? Two reasons: 1) I got the last of the Model S 60Ds and had to have air suspension. As you know, that option was dropped from the 75 after the 60s were put to pasture. That means that to get the air suspension now, I would have to get the 100D. With the other options I had (SAS, UW seats, PUP, paint, etc) a 100D would have commanded too much of a premium. 2) its a tech product. Yes it's $100k instead of $500-$900 for a phone or a few $K for a computer...but it's still tech! It will get better - and cheaper. As people have said here, compare a 2017 75/75D to a P85 from a just a couple of years ago. One costs $75-80k and the other commanded $110k or more. And they perform similarly and have similar range. And the current car has standard features like all glass roof and power lift gate.
So if I had held out I would have had to spend another $15k to upgrade to a 100D (or slightly less for the 90D before it too went away)....and in 3 months or 6 months or 9 months had passed...there will be more/better/faster stuff added. If you wait, especially with Tesla, you will always be waiting.
It's not a secret. We know they change when ever...usually around the start of a new quarter. And Elon said if you can't accept that, then Tesla may not be the car for you because they are not going to stop.
I am still hopeful that perhaps we will get some speed bump through software alone. I think if it's possible - we will get it. If we don't get it, then it's probably not possible. Maybe it's only a few tenths w/o the new hardware. I'd still take it. But if I don't get any speed bump...I'll still love my new Tesla and won't sweat it.
I was the beneficiary of a small change (not so cool as a 1 sec 0-60 drop)...the console sliding cover is carbon fiber to match my carbon fiber decor. I understand that prior to sometime in May, these were matte black even if you had carbon fiber trim. So I got the new matching cover and I like it better. It's a small thing I know but there are probably some people who got cars in March or even April who wished they had the matching cover. Big or small, Tesla will keep improving things. Sometime you "win" and sometimes you "lose". But you will always get the best car that Tesla is making at that point in time.
e-FTW
New electron smell
Guys, remember that 0-60 times is mostly bragging rights. Seat of the pants is still impressed by my “slow” S70, rated at 5.4 seconds or something. And folks have been saying that those numbers were underrated. So it may be a 5.0 car. Maybe the new numbers are just more accurate, and part of the 1 second+ drop is just recalibration of the manufacturer numbers?
In the end, good for new car owners, but I still love mine. And all of you that feel this is bad because you just got your car, remember that the most important bits (full self-driving hardware), you have. That is more valuable than a 0-60 time.
Oh, and you drive the best car out there, bar none! ;-)
In the end, good for new car owners, but I still love mine. And all of you that feel this is bad because you just got your car, remember that the most important bits (full self-driving hardware), you have. That is more valuable than a 0-60 time.
Oh, and you drive the best car out there, bar none! ;-)
Wow.. that's a pretty huge difference on the 75. Of course I have to wonder how much of it is hardware and how much is software.. would love to see my existing 75 drop by a few fractions of a second
Your car will be at the very least larger, more comfortable, have a smoother, more damped ride because of increased mass and longer wheelbase, may well be quieter and thus more relaxing because of more money to spend on sound insulation.
Just being realistic from my personal point of view.
Three years and two Teslas later I have found the experience much more stressful than ever buying a German premium.
Name me one tech product from any manufacturer that changes multiple times a quarter (features-wise).
Then name me one in the $100k+ range.
Then name me one that does that and has a 1-6 month delivery time, meaning the product will likely change - even many times - before you even get it.
I can't think of any, other than a Tesla. I can't think of any even in the small electronics space. Nor certainly any car that would do that on a regular basis (on the feature-level).
It is a myth that every tech product on the market changes like this. Reality is, almost none of them do. Most change in a 6-18 month change cycle, not a 1-2 month one.
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